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Re: trespasses against persons is subjective. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 11:12:57 PM
the idiots who argue for same-sex marriage based on "it will ruin the sanctity of marriage" are trying that exact line of thought. It trespasses against their marriages and their ideologies to a degree they proclaim is unconstitutional.

It's total bollocks, but my point is that there is more to trespass against a person than trespass against their body...and so then we eventually enter that gray fuzzy area...

I don't disagree, but unfortunately, things are rarely so simple :(
Actually, the real problem with same-sex marriage is forcing other people to recognize it. THAT is a trespass against one's person & property rights (i.e. forcing an employer to extend remuneration to a party because of a relationship that violates the employer's beliefs, etc). Marriage only has legal privileges and protections because of a long history of practice within society and near-universal acknowledgement of the institution and its meaning. The laws about marriage came about in recognition of the reality. There is no such history or grounding for same sex marriage, but laws for it will not simply codify traditional practices, they will force people to recognize and support a practice that is new and alien to them. The inability of brainless Christians to properly articulate this principle does not invalidate it.
Cannoli
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Suspension of Disbelief with Politics Dannymac - 05/01/2010 06:46:53 PM 1518 Views
Oh I hear ya! ironclad - 05/01/2010 08:35:38 PM 744 Views
I don't completely agree, but this is similar to everyone retroactively hating Tom Cruise's movies. Zalis - 05/01/2010 08:47:19 PM 762 Views
Which is just as silly, yes. *NM* ironclad - 05/01/2010 08:48:55 PM 355 Views
Who hates Top Gun? That movie R0X0RS! *NM* Tom - 07/01/2010 06:19:48 AM 379 Views
You know, I never understood that LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:28:36 AM 665 Views
What?? Min Rep is fantastic! *NM* ironclad - 07/01/2010 08:19:30 AM 362 Views
*Stands on counter* I am the last Poet Bartender AgentOrange - 07/01/2010 02:08:56 PM 685 Views
I always thought that was just stupid of people (and that includes 3/4 of my family) imlad - 09/01/2010 05:27:41 PM 680 Views
LOL...~hands Dannymac a clue~ damookster - 06/01/2010 04:51:43 AM 893 Views
Just judging him based on what he writes... Dannymac - 06/01/2010 04:17:49 PM 733 Views
the point is... damookster - 06/01/2010 11:25:46 PM 699 Views
talk about needing a clue imlad - 09/01/2010 06:01:14 PM 657 Views
Then read what he writes. I read him every week and he IS a liberal. Cannoli - 09/01/2010 11:45:41 PM 643 Views
Wait...I support same-sex marriage. Just not all that other crap. Tom - 07/01/2010 06:18:40 AM 688 Views
trespasses against persons is subjective. LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:09:22 AM 752 Views
Actually, it isn't. Tom - 07/01/2010 03:46:30 PM 656 Views
ah I wasn't aware you were referring to a legal term LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 05:37:10 PM 698 Views
Considering that it's made-up BS, why should it be? Cannoli - 09/01/2010 11:01:31 PM 679 Views
what about those not capable of walking away? LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 03:51:10 AM 617 Views
Who has the right to say a parent is abusing the child, and what prevents abuses the other way? Cannoli - 10/01/2010 09:13:45 AM 841 Views
You are not wrong LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 04:43:55 PM 669 Views
Re: trespasses against persons is subjective. Cannoli - 09/01/2010 11:12:57 PM 708 Views
but it is wrong to deny the legal ramifications of marriage LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 04:19:02 AM 799 Views
Civics & economics 101 Cannoli - 10/01/2010 08:47:07 AM 790 Views
okay, I can agree on your points LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 05:14:32 PM 592 Views
That's not Economics 101. That's practically Anarcho-capitalism. Ghavrel - 13/01/2010 11:54:22 PM 660 Views
Duh. Cannoli - 14/01/2010 03:00:56 AM 655 Views
The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing. Ghavrel - 18/01/2010 09:01:07 AM 646 Views
Re: The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing. Cannoli - 18/01/2010 11:57:33 AM 951 Views
Apaprently I misread your earlier post. Very good points. *NM* Ghavrel - 19/01/2010 01:17:01 AM 338 Views
I'll agree to the trespass against persons imlad - 09/01/2010 06:07:29 PM 718 Views
What bullshit you write. Tom - 10/01/2010 01:30:02 AM 626 Views
He's such a parody of himself, one wonders if he's not a fake identity created by rightists. *NM* LiterateDog - 10/01/2010 05:14:31 AM 350 Views
uhm...nothing in nature shares with all. LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 05:28:04 AM 677 Views
So what you're saying is people shouldn't take movies to heart ? AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 01:39:21 PM 713 Views
That's just the point. Dannymac - 06/01/2010 04:15:48 PM 799 Views
Precisely *NM* ironclad - 06/01/2010 04:45:58 PM 369 Views
indeed. they are not "soldiers" LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:12:32 AM 668 Views
that's a weasel script AgentOrange - 07/01/2010 09:55:13 AM 675 Views
well, it seems like it was less "lazy script writing" LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 05:38:35 PM 644 Views
huh. Well, my hunch would be AgentOrange - 07/01/2010 10:34:35 PM 771 Views
what makes them "look like military"?? imlad - 09/01/2010 06:15:24 PM 729 Views
arguing the natives as terrorists would be a stretch *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/01/2010 10:39:13 PM 351 Views
guessing you've seen it by now AgentOrange - 10/01/2010 12:48:57 PM 590 Views
AMEN *NM* imlad - 09/01/2010 06:09:27 PM 331 Views
if the foo shits, wear it *NM* imlad - 09/01/2010 06:08:11 PM 378 Views
I completely disagree with you about Avatar. Tom - 06/01/2010 02:18:22 PM 763 Views
would you have felt better if they were albino aliens? LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:16:20 AM 661 Views
You really have a habit of missing the point of my posts in the name of snide remarks. Tom - 07/01/2010 03:47:36 PM 733 Views
Yes well, it's a habit I picked up from the rest of the posters. LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 05:41:51 PM 767 Views
It's just simplistic. Like a Disney movie, but no songs. What really bugs me is that the Company beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 08:48:32 AM 746 Views
Yeah, I liked The Neverending Story better. Tom - 08/01/2010 01:41:37 PM 676 Views
You know what it is for me... Jeordam - 06/01/2010 07:37:10 PM 773 Views
That's understandable LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:25:23 AM 652 Views
That's totally what it is, hah beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 08:57:10 AM 786 Views
See...that's where I'm different. Jeordam - 08/01/2010 03:33:30 PM 660 Views
I suppose the lesson is to not read about celebrities' politics? beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 06:22:10 PM 552 Views
But that's kind of the point... Jeordam - 08/01/2010 06:51:05 PM 660 Views
Uh oh, you used the "c" word... Dannymac - 08/01/2010 07:47:40 PM 766 Views
I hate it when you sound like an actual preacher LadyLorraine - 08/01/2010 10:03:28 PM 671 Views
Aw, I liked some of those sentences. Ghavrel - 08/01/2010 11:07:15 PM 616 Views
Isn't that a Bible quote? *NM* Legolas - 09/01/2010 12:33:51 AM 353 Views
I guess maybe from an epistle? *NM* Ghavrel - 09/01/2010 02:44:36 AM 332 Views
Yup, Romans 8:31 Darth_Katie - 09/01/2010 11:36:46 PM 568 Views
it's not that it was bad LadyLorraine - 09/01/2010 01:01:21 AM 732 Views
That seems like a pretty dangerous philosophy. Gher - 09/01/2010 06:24:35 AM 731 Views
Agreed. It also sounds absurd. I have +2 Armor of Christ. How about you? *NM* Tom - 10/01/2010 06:42:24 PM 336 Views
he he *NM* LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 12:20:26 AM 306 Views
Maybe a little. Dannymac - 11/01/2010 06:06:24 AM 772 Views
I like your philosophy. Thanks for sharing! *NM* Darth_Katie - 11/01/2010 03:08:09 PM 306 Views
Ok, so apart from political subtexts, Mad Cow Bomber - 07/01/2010 05:40:28 AM 743 Views
You have to admire the world building though LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:27:13 AM 598 Views
Both of you are more or less right beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 08:59:34 AM 616 Views
He DID write the original screenplay, I thought? LadyLorraine - 08/01/2010 10:04:07 PM 620 Views
And why is it that anyone who can <spoilers!> beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 09:03:45 AM 887 Views
Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had. Gher - 08/01/2010 04:59:16 PM 683 Views
You're looking at it from the outsider point of view LadyLorraine - 08/01/2010 10:12:15 PM 657 Views
I don't buy it. Gher - 09/01/2010 06:29:07 AM 691 Views
Especially with the warrior tribe mentality they all have! beetnemesis - 10/01/2010 08:25:57 PM 551 Views
if there were all these hotshot warriors trying LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 12:22:19 AM 633 Views
Poor scriptwriting *NM* Gher - 11/01/2010 12:56:24 AM 314 Views
oh come on LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 01:00:40 AM 675 Views
Gher's right. It's Plot convinience, with a capital P *NM* AgentOrange - 13/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 321 Views
Re: Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had. ironclad - 09/01/2010 01:27:59 PM 850 Views
It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things beetnemesis - 10/01/2010 08:27:20 PM 855 Views
Re: It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things ironclad - 10/01/2010 08:56:38 PM 619 Views
seriously LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 12:23:58 AM 591 Views
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