Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
p hart Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
Sephiroth.
What does Mama's Boy have to do with this?
With the defanging of the Forsaken, Rand isn't left with any "dread" worthy opponents. Moridin's almost an anti-villian at this point. The DO is a faceless evil. The Seancean are a distraction- one that can do damage, but not horror-inducing. The various minions and monsters are bad, but not antagonist-worthy.
There's pretty much just Fain, who hasn't been doing much scheming lately, and the 'Finns, who are more of a Mat-centric antagonist.
So, yeah, the series... I don't know if "demeaned" is the word, but it was definitely lessened by the Semirhage sequence.
There's pretty much just Fain, who hasn't been doing much scheming lately, and the 'Finns, who are more of a Mat-centric antagonist.
So, yeah, the series... I don't know if "demeaned" is the word, but it was definitely lessened by the Semirhage sequence.
I'm actually surprised you thought Semirhage was a worthy villain before the spanking scene. I know I considered her a complete joke after Knife of Dreams, having gone through with what is presumably the absolute dumbest Forsaken plot to date. Her plan was so ridiculous that people were trying to preserve her image as a competent Forsaken by suggesting she meant to get captured.
Her humiliation in The Gathering Storm is completely appropriate. In the end, the heroes triumph over the villains, and how do you defeat a villain who is nothing more than an image? I mean, Semirhage had demonstrated her utter incompetence already, as I mentioned, all she had left was this delusion of adequacy. What was needed to complete the heroes' victory over her was to shatter that delusion and reveal the pathetic creature hiding behind the mask.
This doesn't reduce the value of Semirhage, such as it was, but only shows how awesome the protagonists were, that they could take on whatever obstacle Semirhage offered.
and how utterly useless the forces of good were in their fight against shadow, the forsaken were the elite the DO had, look at the state of them, apart from 1 really the rest are like a bunch of those apprentices on that reality show, with magic.
What happened to all the brainy people who invented all those great gadgets, it sure as hell wasn't the forsaken, the greatest psychologist of the AOL with years of close observance doesn't notice Semi's flaw, but picked up pretty quickly by cads.
There isn't a lot of "smart" characters in the WOT world, unlike say the "Storm King" in memory sorrow and thorn or a kelhus in Prince of nothing.
Defanging the Forsaken should logically go back to the AOL's and then i can't see how this bunch of neurotic bunglers could have ever gave anyone a challenge.
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin .
22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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