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Your problem is... Shannow Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
Semirhage was evil and did not deserve ANY respect or dignity. She was only terrifying or intimidating to cowards, who let the fear of pain dissuade them from what is right or true. Rand's order to ont torture her, no matter how misguided his reasoning, was the best command he could have given on that subject, becaused it forced Cadsuane to go outside the box and do what hurt Semirhage worst. I wouldn't have needed all that time to think on it, and I bet Egwene would not have either (assuming she could remember her first trip to the Heart of the Stone in Tel'Aran'Rhiod.


That you see the need for moral instruction as more important in a story than the need for suspense, drama and emotional gratification.

No one in their right minds would admire a person like Semirhage in real life, but in a fictional story it decreases the suspense if major antagonists are made to look ridiculous.

You get all uppity and indignant when people don't apply an iron moral compass while enjoying some light entertainment in the form of a book, set in a fictional world, involving fictional characters.

In the real world, we wouldn't want to see millions of people die in a World War either, but take that away from the Wot story, and you end up with a tale about a shepherd and an innkeeper's daughter involved in a love quadrangle with a blond haired princess and her pretty, sword wielding brother.

Pretty exciting don't you think...
This message last edited by Shannow on 19/11/2009 at 10:24:20 PM
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Shannow - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3264 Views
The two of you are pathetic Cannoli - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1749 Views
Your problem is... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1679 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* Narg - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 765 Views
No. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1461 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1367 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 645 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* beetnemesis - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1471 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1425 Views
True to a degree Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1364 Views
There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1324 Views
You know, I agree BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1437 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1259 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1241 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 708 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all MightyYT - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1254 Views
That's what I meant, actually beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1238 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1193 Views
Re: You know, I agree Evil_Monkey - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1351 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1439 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1284 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1325 Views
Ditto *NM* echooff - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 621 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1343 Views
WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM 1203 Views
Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM 1305 Views
I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government... Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM 1208 Views
And also BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1299 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1180 Views
Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM 1336 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic p hart - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1329 Views
personally, I loved the scene kcf - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1487 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 690 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1404 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 733 Views
That was barely a response... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1283 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1283 Views
Re: That was barely a response... p hart - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1347 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1284 Views
On the other hand BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1270 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1249 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1321 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1270 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1310 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. Fanatic-Templar - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1227 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. p hart - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1335 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1172 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1201 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1309 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? Lohikaarme - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1209 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1192 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power p hart - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1162 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1284 Views
If they're good at killing people Lohikaarme - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 1069 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1338 Views
exactly *NM* AgentOrange - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 684 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1306 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline Skeeve the Great - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1377 Views
I'd like to see that too . Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1227 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 677 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... vandevere - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1409 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 785 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1505 Views
I agree with your second half beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1220 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special AgentOrange - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1233 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1234 Views
She is dead to me! Sandwich - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1147 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1175 Views
Book 14 you think Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1219 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1323 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1345 Views
Don't avoid the question... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1277 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1286 Views
Hehe... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1302 Views
Re: Hehe... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1305 Views
Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is p hart - 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM 1360 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1171 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1230 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1209 Views
Re: Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1255 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 9049 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1225 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1304 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Sidious - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1559 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1157 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out everynametaken - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 1304 Views
The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM 1319 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 1254 Views
because thats what sadists are! nigelgoboom - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1567 Views
How many people p hart - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1266 Views
At least two. Kaldric - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 1079 Views
Re: At least two. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1405 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order Rurouni_Kenshin - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1211 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1447 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. The Angry Druid - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1268 Views
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