I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
I don't care how realistic and logical and deserved it was- it completely defanged one of the few sources of actual dread left in the series.
Right, so... the Aes Sedai are this monolithic group of mysterious superwomen, who may be benevolent, may be inscrutable, but are always ineffable.
Except then we actually get to know them, and find that they have some of the human flaws you'd expect from being treated as ultrapowerful, feared and mistrusted superwomen. And now they're not nearly as mysterious or powerful, and they mostly just bicker amongst themselves.
It's reasonable, and certainly a logical progression of the plot, but I can't help but be wistful for the Aes Sedai of the first half of the series, or of New Spring (especially New Spring, I'd say- I think they nicely balanced the humanity and menace of the White Tower there).
There isn't much scary left in Randland. Yes, yes, the Dark One is breaking free, the end of the world is coming, blah blah. An antagonist needs to be more than just a nameless evil, though. In LotR, however evil Sauron may be, we still need Saruman and Wormtongue and the Orcs and the Ghost King and all the rest.
The Forsaken are mostly jokes at this point. This was done deliberately- Moridin doesn't respect them, and they're more like petty schemers that enjoy using their superpowers than Evil Lords of Darkness. Trollocs are cannon fodder at this point. A Grey Man hasn't killed a single person of note in the entire series.
Fain's pretty dangerous, but he almost never shows up anymore. Ditto the gholam, and Slayer. In any case, those three aren't really schemers; they can't do much to inspire dread. Fain could have, once, but he's not at that level anymore.
So Semirhage, the black-robed Mistress of Pain, the woman who tortured whatshername-Sedai and her Warder, was turned into nothing more than a petulant child who demanded attention. It was reasonable, and a logical plot progression- but I don't have to like it, story wise.
Right, so... the Aes Sedai are this monolithic group of mysterious superwomen, who may be benevolent, may be inscrutable, but are always ineffable.
Except then we actually get to know them, and find that they have some of the human flaws you'd expect from being treated as ultrapowerful, feared and mistrusted superwomen. And now they're not nearly as mysterious or powerful, and they mostly just bicker amongst themselves.
It's reasonable, and certainly a logical progression of the plot, but I can't help but be wistful for the Aes Sedai of the first half of the series, or of New Spring (especially New Spring, I'd say- I think they nicely balanced the humanity and menace of the White Tower there).
There isn't much scary left in Randland. Yes, yes, the Dark One is breaking free, the end of the world is coming, blah blah. An antagonist needs to be more than just a nameless evil, though. In LotR, however evil Sauron may be, we still need Saruman and Wormtongue and the Orcs and the Ghost King and all the rest.
The Forsaken are mostly jokes at this point. This was done deliberately- Moridin doesn't respect them, and they're more like petty schemers that enjoy using their superpowers than Evil Lords of Darkness. Trollocs are cannon fodder at this point. A Grey Man hasn't killed a single person of note in the entire series.
Fain's pretty dangerous, but he almost never shows up anymore. Ditto the gholam, and Slayer. In any case, those three aren't really schemers; they can't do much to inspire dread. Fain could have, once, but he's not at that level anymore.
So Semirhage, the black-robed Mistress of Pain, the woman who tortured whatshername-Sedai and her Warder, was turned into nothing more than a petulant child who demanded attention. It was reasonable, and a logical plot progression- but I don't have to like it, story wise.
I amuse myself.
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin .
22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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