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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
And the humans there act just like the ones here. You'd hope that our governments, armies, scientists and leaders would act with benevolence and vision, but the fact is we are all human.

That's the beauty of Jordan's story - these people are all just PEOPLE - and if they can make history change, why can't we?



For example- the Aes Sedai in New Spring are pretty believable, I think. Cold and imperious, but we see humanity in small touches.

There are "real humans" who are scary, and who are manipulative, and all the rest. I think the Forsaken and the Aes Sedai would have been better served, narratively, if they acted as their "stereotypical" selves- Lords of Evil, Ineffable Mistresses of the Unkown- and then let human touches influence them.

The Forsaken did this pretty well up until the last few books- Sammeal's self destructing messenger was both horrific and a statement that he could just afford to throw away resources because he was soooooooo powerful.

The Aes Sedai did it pretty well until the rebellion, and Joline (I really dislike Joline).
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Shannow - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3321 Views
The two of you are pathetic Cannoli - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1788 Views
Your problem is... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1734 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* Narg - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 793 Views
No. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1504 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1407 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 667 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* beetnemesis - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1525 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1470 Views
True to a degree Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1401 Views
There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1358 Views
You know, I agree BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1481 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1307 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1278 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 732 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all MightyYT - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1298 Views
That's what I meant, actually beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1283 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1226 Views
Re: You know, I agree Evil_Monkey - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1388 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1492 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1339 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1372 Views
Ditto *NM* echooff - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 642 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1381 Views
WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM 1246 Views
Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM 1349 Views
I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government... Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM 1251 Views
And also BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1344 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1216 Views
Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM 1370 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic p hart - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1373 Views
personally, I loved the scene kcf - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1528 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 710 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1443 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 754 Views
That was barely a response... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1328 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1336 Views
Re: That was barely a response... p hart - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1393 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1326 Views
On the other hand BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1319 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1282 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1364 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1306 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1358 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. Fanatic-Templar - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1284 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. p hart - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1376 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1211 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1243 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1355 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? Lohikaarme - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1256 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1233 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power p hart - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1203 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1327 Views
If they're good at killing people Lohikaarme - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 1112 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1387 Views
exactly *NM* AgentOrange - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 705 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1346 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline Skeeve the Great - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1424 Views
I'd like to see that too . Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1272 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 698 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... vandevere - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1446 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 805 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1551 Views
I agree with your second half beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1256 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special AgentOrange - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1275 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1279 Views
She is dead to me! Sandwich - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1189 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1213 Views
Book 14 you think Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1261 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1363 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1389 Views
Don't avoid the question... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1320 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1319 Views
Hehe... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1344 Views
Re: Hehe... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1339 Views
Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is p hart - 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM 1404 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1213 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1276 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1245 Views
Re: Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1345 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 9118 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1264 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1348 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Sidious - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1597 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1193 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out everynametaken - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 1344 Views
The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM 1360 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 1299 Views
because thats what sadists are! nigelgoboom - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1610 Views
How many people p hart - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1306 Views
At least two. Kaldric - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 1117 Views
Re: At least two. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1444 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order Rurouni_Kenshin - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1258 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1479 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. The Angry Druid - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1307 Views
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