Of COURSE Semirhage is reprehensible, and sure, some sore of comeuppance isn't unwarranted. But did it have to be so anti-climatic (I'm talking about the spanking, obviously, not the thing with Rand)?
Let's look at the Nynaeve-Mogheidan relationship. Moggy is obviously just as screwed up as the rest of the Forsaken. Even before she was soul-trapped, she knew she was less powerful in the Power, and resented the other Forsaken. Note her attitude towards Lanfear regarding the World of Dreams. She's TOTALLY the kinda-geeky girl with no friends that mocks and loathes the popular kids, yet secretly wants to be Prom Queen.
Did Moggy's neuroses get in the way of her being an awesome villain? No way. TWO extremely exciting battles, both of which were much, much more than simple slugfests. Plus we got to see Moggy's plots against the Wondergirls, and more. We saw her slap down Liandrin, which was awesome.
And now she's a mind-slave. See? Comeuppance. And Nynaeve still dreads her (although she'll fight her again, of course. Nynaeve attacks anything she fears). THAT'S how to write a villain.
Let's look at the Nynaeve-Mogheidan relationship. Moggy is obviously just as screwed up as the rest of the Forsaken. Even before she was soul-trapped, she knew she was less powerful in the Power, and resented the other Forsaken. Note her attitude towards Lanfear regarding the World of Dreams. She's TOTALLY the kinda-geeky girl with no friends that mocks and loathes the popular kids, yet secretly wants to be Prom Queen.
Did Moggy's neuroses get in the way of her being an awesome villain? No way. TWO extremely exciting battles, both of which were much, much more than simple slugfests. Plus we got to see Moggy's plots against the Wondergirls, and more. We saw her slap down Liandrin, which was awesome.
And now she's a mind-slave. See? Comeuppance. And Nynaeve still dreads her (although she'll fight her again, of course. Nynaeve attacks anything she fears). THAT'S how to write a villain.
Nynaeve compares her own cowardice to Moghedien. Cadsuane also makes the comparison of how to break herself vs. how to break Semirhage and sees the similarity. And don't forget that we have Rand that is linked to Moridin, (Champion of Light vs. Champion of Shadow), so RJ has provided multiple parallels throughout the series.
We might be able to deduce which Forsaken/Bad Guy stacks up against a particular hero.:
Taim vs. Logain ~ 2 false dragons reduced to second chair triangle.
Lanfear/Cyndane vs. Elayne/Aviendha ~ 2 + 2 = ? or past vs present
Demandred vs. Narishma ~ Looks like Jahar is becoming the second to Rand, and I just have a gut feeling that as much as Demmy wants to kill LTT/Rand, they're never going to even face each other. Lack of "air-time" for Demandred doesn't bode well for his character. (He's like the child that keeps yelling "look" until he gets your attention, then has nothing for you to look at.)
Egwene vs. Mesaana ~ Student vs. Teacher
Just a few guesses. Always fun to speculate.
Where once was Shadow
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night
I made the switch!
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night
I made the switch!
This message last edited by Light in the Night on 20/11/2009 at 08:52:16 AM
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
- 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
- 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
- 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
- 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
- 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan.
- 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM
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There's a little more to it as well
- 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM
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You know, I agree
- 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
- 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
- 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
- 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
- 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
- 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
- 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
- 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
- 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
- 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
- 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
- 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
- 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
- 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
- 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
- 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
- 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
- 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
- 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
- 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
- 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
- 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin .
- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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.
- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
- 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
- 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
- 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
- 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
- 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
- 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
- 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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