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There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM
Of COURSE Semirhage is reprehensible, and sure, some sore of comeuppance isn't unwarranted. But did it have to be so anti-climatic (I'm talking about the spanking, obviously, not the thing with Rand)?



Let's look at the Nynaeve-Mogheidan relationship. Moggy is obviously just as screwed up as the rest of the Forsaken. Even before she was soul-trapped, she knew she was less powerful in the Power, and resented the other Forsaken. Note her attitude towards Lanfear regarding the World of Dreams. She's TOTALLY the kinda-geeky girl with no friends that mocks and loathes the popular kids, yet secretly wants to be Prom Queen.


Did Moggy's neuroses get in the way of her being an awesome villain? No way. TWO extremely exciting battles, both of which were much, much more than simple slugfests. Plus we got to see Moggy's plots against the Wondergirls, and more. We saw her slap down Liandrin, which was awesome.

And now she's a mind-slave. See? Comeuppance. And Nynaeve still dreads her (although she'll fight her again, of course. Nynaeve attacks anything she fears). THAT'S how to write a villain.


Nynaeve compares her own cowardice to Moghedien. Cadsuane also makes the comparison of how to break herself vs. how to break Semirhage and sees the similarity. And don't forget that we have Rand that is linked to Moridin, (Champion of Light vs. Champion of Shadow), so RJ has provided multiple parallels throughout the series.

We might be able to deduce which Forsaken/Bad Guy stacks up against a particular hero.:

Taim vs. Logain ~ 2 false dragons reduced to second chair triangle.
Lanfear/Cyndane vs. Elayne/Aviendha ~ 2 + 2 = ? or past vs present
Demandred vs. Narishma ~ Looks like Jahar is becoming the second to Rand, and I just have a gut feeling that as much as Demmy wants to kill LTT/Rand, they're never going to even face each other. Lack of "air-time" for Demandred doesn't bode well for his character. (He's like the child that keeps yelling "look" until he gets your attention, then has nothing for you to look at.)
Egwene vs. Mesaana ~ Student vs. Teacher

Just a few guesses. Always fun to speculate.
Where once was Shadow
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night

I made the switch!
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Shannow - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 2949 Views
The two of you are pathetic Cannoli - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1429 Views
Your problem is... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1339 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* Narg - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 606 Views
No. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1118 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1003 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 503 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* beetnemesis - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1140 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1106 Views
True to a degree Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1055 Views
There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1008 Views
You know, I agree BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1091 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 927 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 909 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 552 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all MightyYT - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 900 Views
That's what I meant, actually beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 918 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 865 Views
Re: You know, I agree Evil_Monkey - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1033 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1085 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 962 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 975 Views
Ditto *NM* echooff - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 471 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 976 Views
WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM 876 Views
Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM 989 Views
I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government... Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM 907 Views
And also BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 947 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 865 Views
Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM 1007 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic p hart - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1000 Views
personally, I loved the scene kcf - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1135 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 549 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1090 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 598 Views
That was barely a response... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 949 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 960 Views
Re: That was barely a response... p hart - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1010 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 945 Views
On the other hand BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 886 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 917 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 949 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 931 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 976 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. Fanatic-Templar - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 889 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. p hart - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 995 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 831 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 881 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 970 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? Lohikaarme - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 887 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 868 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power p hart - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 834 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 939 Views
If they're good at killing people Lohikaarme - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 726 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1002 Views
exactly *NM* AgentOrange - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 541 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 984 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline Skeeve the Great - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1074 Views
I'd like to see that too . Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 876 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 510 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... vandevere - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1003 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 623 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 993 Views
I agree with your second half beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 892 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special AgentOrange - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 910 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 919 Views
She is dead to me! Sandwich - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 803 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 866 Views
Book 14 you think Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 893 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 996 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1017 Views
Don't avoid the question... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 934 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 926 Views
Hehe... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 932 Views
Re: Hehe... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 921 Views
Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is p hart - 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM 993 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 851 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 895 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 841 Views
Re: Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 880 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 8166 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 874 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 961 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Sidious - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1189 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 824 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out everynametaken - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 989 Views
The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM 986 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 928 Views
because thats what sadists are! nigelgoboom - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1186 Views
How many people p hart - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 888 Views
At least two. Kaldric - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 768 Views
Re: At least two. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1005 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order Rurouni_Kenshin - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 876 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1083 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. The Angry Druid - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 942 Views
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