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A few points darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 03:50:12 PM

IMO, it also doesn't seem to make much sense that the especially careful Graendal would stroll through the basement of the mostly empty Caemlyn palace - with no servants there - without any disguise, but of course balefire prepared (though for some reason not inverted), since the possibility remained that instead of Asmo, e.g. Rand had opened the door to see her (and we know that the last Graendal wants is to confront Rand in his territory).

1. Why would she bother with a disguise in a place no one would recognize her anyway? Just like at the Cleansing she was simply strolling around the forest with no disguise.

2. Why are you assuming she didn't invert the weaves? Seems much more likely that she did since no once felt anything at Asmo's death. Asmo wouldn't have needed to feel the weaves being prepared to know she was about to kill him ... all he had to see was her raise her hand to release it and he would have screamed.

3. Graendal seems the most likely of the FS to do something like this, we know that she later rummaged through Sammael's stuff in Illian ... I don't think we've seen any of the others do something like this.

Besides that, Moiraine apparently used very weak balefire, but it was obviously still strong enough to prevent a transmigration of Be'lal. A Forsaken like Graendal should per se use stronger balefire, especially if she might confront her arch-enemy or a Forsaken rival, precisely to exclude that the DO might perform a transmigration. And if her balefire was nevertheless just minimal, the DO could transmigrate Asmo everywhere, according to RJ's words on balefire.

To explain the how- and where-factors with balefire would mean that RJ basically said that - by chance - balefire in such an amount was used that, if Graendal had theoretically killed Asmo at SG, the DO still could have transmigrated him. This "not at SG-location" doesn't really fit a concrete and sensible where-factor, because SG was anyway never in question to be the location of Asmo's murder.

4. Why did the weave have to be balefire? She could have used a number of nasty weaves to kill him quickly and simply disposed of his body in TAR or AD etc... The DO isn't likely to transmigrate a complete turn-coat in any case so it doesn't seem like that BF is the only reason Asmo isn't back!

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I am determined to prove, before it's revealed, that Lanfear killed Asmodean. Tom - 26/05/2010 05:36:59 AM 1334 Views

It's unlikely Etzel - 26/05/2010 09:17:06 AM 986 Views

Re: It's unlikely DomA - 26/05/2010 02:04:08 PM 976 Views

Well... Etzel - 26/05/2010 03:09:38 PM 943 Views

A few points darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 03:50:12 PM 746 Views

Re: A few points Etzel - 26/05/2010 04:07:15 PM 822 Views

Re: A few points darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 04:23:39 PM 799 Views

Re: A few points DomA - 26/05/2010 05:26:27 PM 783 Views

Actually I believe... Etzel - 26/05/2010 06:00:55 PM 839 Views

Re: Actually I believe... darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:04:51 PM 833 Views

I think... Etzel - 26/05/2010 07:35:16 PM 757 Views

Re: I think... darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:47:19 PM 701 Views

IMO, the difference is that Ishy was strongly connected to the DO, when he died in TAR. *NM* Etzel - 26/05/2010 07:55:47 PM 362 Views

Re: IMO, the difference is that Ishy was strongly connected to the DO, when he died in TAR. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:25:36 PM 734 Views

But Ishy channeled the TP; thus the DO was more aware of him in TAR. *NM* Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:33:45 PM 324 Views

I don't see how that really makes a difference darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:43:58 PM 758 Views

At least Asmo didn't channel the TP, when he died; this could be the difference to Ishy. *NM* Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:46:44 PM 333 Views

Re: At least Asmo didn't channel the TP, when he died; this could be the difference to Ishy. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:23:10 PM 710 Views

Well, the TP is not related to who killed Asmo, in my view Etzel - 26/05/2010 09:34:42 PM 768 Views

That doesn't make sense darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:40:10 PM 727 Views

That has nothing to do with the identity of the killer. Etzel - 26/05/2010 09:56:18 PM 670 Views

I still think you are making this more convluted than it needs to be darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:21:26 PM 772 Views

You confuse two things... Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:46:56 AM 666 Views

But your theory completely relies on this thought darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:48:48 AM 681 Views

I argue... Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:20:09 PM 852 Views

we don't know any of that until WH darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 12:49:53 PM 849 Views

I cite your statement a few posts above... Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:59:06 PM 713 Views

Re: I cite your statement a few posts above... darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:14:51 PM 743 Views

Thanks! darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:12:01 PM 733 Views

Re: A few points Etzel - 26/05/2010 05:55:27 PM 802 Views

I think you are grasping a little darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:11:36 PM 798 Views

Re: Well... DomA - 26/05/2010 04:15:42 PM 821 Views

I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 07:54:03 PM 786 Views

Re: I know... DomA - 26/05/2010 11:58:13 PM 669 Views

Re: I know... Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:41:20 AM 829 Views

Your explanation how the "where" is significant matches what I've been saying for awhile, too. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:49:02 PM 370 Views

graendal Foxhead - 26/05/2010 11:57:04 PM 693 Views

You disregard Jordan's explanations about the Finns... and some others... DomA - 26/05/2010 12:50:30 PM 915 Views

I'm 80% sure it's Graendal, with 20% left over for Moghedien RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 02:00:09 PM 764 Views

Moghedien would be quite the trick darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 02:17:57 PM 769 Views

Re: Moghedien would be quite the trick RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 02:26:23 PM 757 Views

Re: Moghedien would be quite the trick DomA - 26/05/2010 03:06:49 PM 773 Views

Yep. More impressive than the guy who was killed by a shepherd, right? =) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:44:07 PM 713 Views

Re: I'm 80% sure it's Graendal, with 20% left over for Moghedien DomA - 26/05/2010 02:24:44 PM 839 Views

Maybe she did it, but you misjudge Lanfear bigtime, I think newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 07:12:09 PM 763 Views

Aviendha(sp) done it *NM* aldapelan - 26/05/2010 09:20:11 PM 371 Views

I agree Camilla - 30/05/2010 09:44:57 PM 999 Views

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<quote>IMO, it also doesn't seem to make much sense that the especially careful Graendal would stroll through the basement of the mostly empty Caemlyn palace - with no servants there - without any disguise, but of course balefire prepared (though for some reason not inverted), since the possibility remained that instead of Asmo, e.g. Rand had opened the door to see her (and we know that the last Graendal wants is to confront Rand in his territory).</quote>

1.  Why would she bother with a disguise in a place no one would recognize her anyway?  Just like at the Cleansing she was simply strolling around the forest with no disguise.

2.  Why are you assuming she didn't invert the weaves?  Seems much more likely that she did since no once felt anything at Asmo's death.  Asmo wouldn't have needed to feel the weaves being prepared to know she was about to kill him ... all he had to see was her raise her hand to release it and he would have screamed.

3.  Graendal seems the most likely of the FS to do something like this, we know that she later rummaged through Sammael's stuff in Illian ... I don't think we've seen any of the others do something like this.

<quote>Besides that, Moiraine apparently used very weak balefire, but it was obviously still strong enough to prevent a transmigration of Be'lal. A Forsaken like Graendal should per se use stronger balefire, especially if she might confront her arch-enemy or a Forsaken rival, precisely to exclude that the DO might perform a transmigration. And if her balefire was nevertheless just minimal, the DO could transmigrate Asmo everywhere, according to RJ's words on balefire.

To explain the how- and where-factors with balefire would mean that RJ basically said that - by chance - balefire in such an amount was used that, if Graendal had theoretically killed Asmo at SG, the DO still could have transmigrated him. This "not at SG-location" doesn't really fit a concrete and sensible where-factor, because SG was anyway never in question to be the location of Asmo's murder.</quote>

4.  Why did the weave have to be balefire?  She could have used a number of nasty weaves to kill him quickly and simply disposed of his body in TAR or AD etc... The DO isn't likely to transmigrate a complete turn-coat in any case so it doesn't seem like that BF is the only reason Asmo isn't back!
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