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Is that really true? Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
I've thought of this before, but would like someone to show me some evidence to counter or accept it, or generally provide a statement on what you think...

You're tied to a pole. You dream yourself into TAR. You Travel to the place where you've tied yourself i.e. you exit TAR using a gateway. You free yourself.

Is there anything that contradicts this? We know that you can channel and Travel in TAR.


The problem is saying that you dreamed yourself into TaR in the first place. When Eggy wants to go to TaR, she doesn't know exactly where to go and wants to take advantage of TaR properties (specifically the ability to walk/run/gallop super-fast). Eggy changes the surroundings and steps into TaR - that's the mechanism for her first Traveling.

But if you've already dreamed yourself into TaR, there's no body to step through a gateway. And if you're physically tied to a pole, you can't step through a gateway.

For all we know, this is that Little-Big Thing that Sanderson was talking about - but it *seems* to be impossible.


Other people can see you in TAR, so something is there, and most dreamwalkers believe that a part of themselves enters the dream world. You can even see your hands, legs etc. There must be a body.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1667 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1060 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1084 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 943 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 871 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 793 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 793 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 908 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 771 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 892 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 853 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 805 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 808 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 868 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 864 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 840 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 878 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 896 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1009 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 856 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 832 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 384 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 766 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 963 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 824 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 961 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 903 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 867 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 852 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 821 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 798 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 839 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 807 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 786 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 387 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 929 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 824 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 825 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1029 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 772 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 766 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 779 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 830 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 984 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 820 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 782 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1067 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 844 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 403 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 804 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 720 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 768 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 772 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 845 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 799 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 806 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 893 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 761 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 782 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 838 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 779 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 745 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 724 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 353 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 748 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 914 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 853 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 782 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 855 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 865 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 823 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 761 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 760 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 812 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 839 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 865 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 786 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 887 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 751 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 714 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 825 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 974 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 923 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 772 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 352 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 907 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 805 Views
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