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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
1) She wouldn't ask for help, since she's already gotten burned once by appearing in front of Black Ajah Sisters in a weakened condition. If any of the Sisters recognized it and realized what the necklace was, she would be in a position similar to the one Egwene, Nynaeve and Elayne had her in, and even worse, under subordinates she had punished and subsequently lost the respect of.

2) She didn't know the technique needed to remove the collar. Nynaeve and Elayne figured this out through multiple attempts by trial and error. Once they figured out how, they used it to free Egwene. Egwene learned how to remove the collar using the Power afterwards, but it is a very specific set of movements needed to unclasp the collar. Even worse, the collar prevents you from making movements or using the Power in such a way that would destroy or remove it, so she would have found herself, if Skimming to a barely known place, unable to even attempt to save herself. She would then be at the mercy of anyone who found her in this weakened state, which would have been unthinkable for her.


Why would Moghedien have needed to use black sisters or random strangers? Could she not have tried summoning help from shadowspawn such as myrddraal? Myrddraal would likely be smart and dexterous enough to able to figure out a way to remove the collar and they would also have to obey Moghediens commands even while she was wearing the collar due to the DO's chosen mark that she wears.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1497 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 923 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 937 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 812 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 721 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 663 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 646 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 746 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 640 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 751 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 677 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 630 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 653 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 709 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 703 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 671 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 718 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 759 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 854 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 696 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 695 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 306 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 633 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 824 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 689 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 836 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 733 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 744 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 715 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 683 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 679 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 720 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 683 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 645 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 325 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 765 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 700 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 677 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 888 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 637 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 628 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 647 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 675 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 860 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 688 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 640 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 925 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 706 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 341 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 670 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 587 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 628 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 625 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 689 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 650 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 649 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 740 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 635 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 636 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 690 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 643 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 613 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 588 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 280 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 606 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 750 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 697 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 635 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 719 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 729 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 703 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 622 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 620 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 679 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 694 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 720 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 654 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 744 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 621 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 562 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 678 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 841 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 774 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 624 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 293 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 752 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 682 Views
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