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Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM
I wonder if this might also explain the other bizarre thing with the whole Moghedien episode that I have often wondered about. When Nynaeve imagined the a'dam collar around Moghediens neck while they were both in TAR, why is it that Moghedien did not just imagine the a'dam into nothingness? I mean we know that is possible, we have seen people change their clothes or imagine things such as bushes or other items into vanishing.

Why did Moghedien who is supposedly such a master of TAR not just get rid of the collar with her mind. For that matter, why did she not just choose to wake up in the real world and free herself from the collar that way. We know that dreamers can wake up at-will.


I would propose that the anser is that either Nyneve BELIEVED when she created it that Moggy would not be able to and thus the a'dam that was created had the ability to prevent it, or Moggy BELIEVED that she couldn't. TAR is all about what you believe.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1719 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1108 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1147 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 1006 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 926 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 848 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 844 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 957 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 828 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 948 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 938 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 864 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 875 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 922 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 941 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 899 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 930 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 957 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1065 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 905 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 881 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 409 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 819 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 1017 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 885 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 1017 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 957 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 920 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 909 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 883 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 853 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 900 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 866 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 840 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 414 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 983 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 879 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 877 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1089 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 832 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 818 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 826 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 887 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 1035 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 869 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 833 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1121 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 896 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 427 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 856 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 771 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 821 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 835 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 903 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 855 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 854 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 950 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 810 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 835 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 897 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 840 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 800 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 779 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 381 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 806 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 971 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 916 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 832 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 912 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 927 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 885 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 822 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 814 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 868 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 894 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 920 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 840 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 944 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 797 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 774 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 879 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 1043 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 988 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 826 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 380 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 956 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 862 Views
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