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Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM
I've thought of this before, but would like someone to show me some evidence to counter or accept it, or generally provide a statement on what you think...

You're tied to a pole. You dream yourself into TAR. You Travel to the place where you've tied yourself i.e. you exit TAR using a gateway. You free yourself.

Is there anything that contradicts this? We know that you can channel and Travel in TAR.


All this assumes that you are actually channeling in TAR when you are there in spirit form. Yes, yes all the POVs indicate that folks are channeling; however, teh POVs just mean that they believe they are channeling.

TAR is the relm where imagination is king. If you can focus your mind on it, in TAR you make it so. One thing channelers are really good at is beleiving in their channeling.

If they are not actually channeling then they absolutely could not open a gateway out of TAR while there in spirit form. The only time we can be absolutely positive that someone has channeled in TAR is when they were there in the flesh.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1696 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1086 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1113 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 977 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 902 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 822 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 818 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 934 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 801 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 926 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 906 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 837 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 844 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 895 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 908 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 875 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 903 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 929 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1041 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 885 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 859 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 398 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 798 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 996 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 860 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 992 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 931 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 894 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 883 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 854 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 831 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 875 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 841 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 817 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 402 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 960 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 857 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 852 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1059 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 805 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 794 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 808 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 865 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 1014 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 847 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 811 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1095 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 874 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 415 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 830 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 747 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 797 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 801 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 879 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 829 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 834 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 922 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 790 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 812 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 871 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 813 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 773 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 752 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 368 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 780 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 945 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 888 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 807 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 885 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 900 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 857 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 793 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 790 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 842 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 867 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 899 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 814 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 922 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 775 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 741 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 852 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 1010 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 954 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 797 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 368 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 931 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 837 Views
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