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Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
... It probably affected reality. Birgitte's body is actually wholesale creation of matter and physically impossible, so it'd take some significant magic to accomplish, I should think.

EDITED because the original phrasing sounded more sarcastic than intended.


The heros bound to the horn have a physical body. Something is physically manifested when the horn is blown. It seems to me then that Brigette had a physical body prior to being kicked out of TAR. As for the creation of matter, I can not recall any time in the series in which the OP has been used to truley create anything, only control energy; though Rands fire sword and Moirane's demonstration to the girls comes close.


TGH
The Grave Is No Bar to My Call

At the edge of his awareness, Rand saw the Seanchan falling back in the streets of Falme, fighting desperately. Damane tore the earth with the One Power, but it could not harm Artur Hawkwing, nor the other heroes of the Horn.

Sounds like from this passage we have more "phantom" warriors than physical ones ... at least IMO.

Also if they had physical bodies that means they could die when the Horn called them forth, and that seems silly!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 28/05/2010 at 04:16:53 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 829 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 808 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 847 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 872 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 975 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 830 Views
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*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 374 Views
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you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 934 Views
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Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 791 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 773 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 816 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 775 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 762 Views
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we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 746 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 739 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 756 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 801 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 965 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 791 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 758 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1036 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 812 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 392 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 780 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 688 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 738 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 746 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 814 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 766 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 773 Views
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Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 756 Views
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aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 337 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 720 Views
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if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 826 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 752 Views
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Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 840 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 798 Views
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The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 735 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 786 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 813 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 827 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 762 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 848 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 727 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 684 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 798 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 944 Views
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shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 343 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 874 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 786 Views
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