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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
... It probably affected reality. Birgitte's body is actually wholesale creation of matter and physically impossible, so it'd take some significant magic to accomplish, I should think.

EDITED because the original phrasing sounded more sarcastic than intended.


The heros bound to the horn have a physical body. Something is physically manifested when the horn is blown. It seems to me then that Brigette had a physical body prior to being kicked out of TAR. As for the creation of matter, I can not recall any time in the series in which the OP has been used to truley create anything, only control energy; though Rands fire sword and Moirane's demonstration to the girls comes close.


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At the edge of his awareness, Rand saw the Seanchan falling back in the streets of Falme, fighting desperately. Damane tore the earth with the One Power, but it could not harm Artur Hawkwing, nor the other heroes of the Horn.

Sounds like from this passage we have more "phantom" warriors than physical ones ... at least IMO.

Also if they had physical bodies that means they could die when the Horn called them forth, and that seems silly!
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 906 Views
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 908 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 874 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 902 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 928 Views
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 885 Views
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*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 398 Views
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Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 893 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 882 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 854 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 831 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 874 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 840 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 817 Views
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we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 805 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 794 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 808 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 865 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 1014 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 847 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 811 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1095 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 874 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 415 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 830 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 747 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 797 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 801 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 878 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 829 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 834 Views
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Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 790 Views
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Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 813 Views
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aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 368 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 780 Views
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if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 887 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 807 Views
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Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 899 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 857 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 792 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 790 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 842 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 867 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 899 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 814 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 922 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 775 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 741 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 852 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 1009 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 954 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 796 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 368 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 931 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 837 Views
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