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I think there is more to these women than simply being the Dragon's Mate darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 12:09:10 PM

I think that the Pattern tries to match up the Dragon with a suitable mate - someone who will satisfy him in every way. Considering he's the greatest man in the world, he needs a woman of equal prowess.

In the AOL, the Pattern might have tried Mierin initially. She seemed to have everything except that her personality was flawed, so that didn't work out. Ilyena seemed to have been the next 'ultimate woman'. We don't know much about her, but she was in no way some cheap barmaid that LTT was attracted to. As Ilyena Sunhair, she seemed to have considerable prowess as an Aes Sedai.

I don't think that any women of equal stature occur in the 3rd Age, which is why the Pattern clumped him with three women. Even if he'd been paired with the best of what the Age had to offer (probably someone like Elayne), he would have felt unfulfilled. Women like Ilyena don't exist anymore. We've seen Egwene and Min feeling unsubstantial when Lanfear appears - and that's just from her appearance.

The three women equalling Ilyena is an old theory, but I do think collectively they are Ilyena's essence - but definitely not her soul or ancestry etc.

Aviendha - passionate, aggressive, dashain Aiel, channeler, attractive
Elayne - educated, noble, channeler, tenacious, attractive
Min - empathy, goodwill, philosophy, uncomplicated, atractive

Ilyena was probably all of these in one.

I do think that AOL women (and men) are of much higher quality. We've only really got the Forsaken to go on, so that makes evidence tough, but ignoring their evil personalities they're remarkably accomplished people in general : almost all of them are attractive, physically strong and well educated. It seems that, like channeling, 3rd Age people are a level down in quality. They're a select group in many ways, so they're poor evidence - but Rand's visions of the AOL showed that the Aes Sedai in the Breaking were generally up there too. There really wasn't much for the Pattern to work with to suit up the DR with a mate.

I personally think that Nynaeve comes closest to AOL greatness (if you believe that Age to be superior : some readers don't). She seems to be an all-round accomplished woman, which is why Legendary Lan likes her so much.


All 3 of his current women offer specific necessities the Dragon can't live without. Min and her viewing, Aviendha brings the Aiel and Elayne the AS. There seems to be Prophetic things involved with them as well ... 3 women on a boat and all that. I'm convinced there will be something else that requires there to be 3 individuals with different abilities ... perhaps the 3 become 1 thing is about them... who knows.

I doubt very much that looks or OP strength have anything to do with Rand, especially since Min can't channel at all! If the Pattern wanted a "more suitable" mate for Rand it would have spun such a woman out. The fact that it didn't tells me that the Pattern actually needed these 3 woman to be separate individuals for a specific reason.

On a side note I find it rather funny that you think Mierin was the "ultimate woman", except for that pesky personality which lead her to be one of the most evil beings of all time ... beauty and OP strength do not make someone "higher quality", IMO she's one of the most flawed characters in the books. So much so that ALL she is is beauty and OP strength. Painfully cliche actually.

Early in the series I thought she was a great character, but over the years I've lost all interest in her because she's kind of pathetic, this is a person who could have done anything she wanted but instead acts like a spoiled child and completely focuses on what she can't have. She's also become so completely predictable that she's not even fun to read about anymore. Personally I'm glad that she's Mindtrapped, at least that way she's got errands to run and stays out of the way.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Matching the Dragon with a mate - 02/06/2010 10:09:49 AM 1618 Views
I think there is more to these women than simply being the Dragon's Mate - 02/06/2010 12:09:10 PM 948 Views
I agree with darius. Also, 2/3rds of Rand's women - 02/06/2010 02:38:13 PM 913 Views
What more IS there to being a woman? - 02/06/2010 03:52:23 PM 998 Views
Re: What more IS there to being a woman? - 02/06/2010 04:58:36 PM 844 Views
Re: What more IS there to being a woman? - 03/06/2010 08:51:25 AM 794 Views
riiiight - 03/06/2010 11:20:31 AM 713 Views
Re: riiiight - 03/06/2010 01:53:49 PM 833 Views
the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much - 03/06/2010 02:14:08 PM 847 Views
Re: the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much - 03/06/2010 02:23:32 PM 973 Views
Oh Sid! - 03/06/2010 02:53:48 PM 799 Views
Re: Oh Sid! - 04/06/2010 04:58:13 AM 686 Views
Like who - 01/07/2010 12:40:14 PM 737 Views
Ditto - 04/06/2010 04:41:15 PM 830 Views
Re: Ditto - 04/06/2010 04:56:45 PM 1185 Views
I never said that's all they were - 03/06/2010 08:49:53 AM 808 Views
Re: I never said that's all they were - 03/06/2010 11:44:51 AM 846 Views
Re: I never said that's all they were - 03/06/2010 02:04:29 PM 796 Views
totally disagree! - 03/06/2010 02:50:58 PM 897 Views
Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic - 02/06/2010 12:48:56 PM 871 Views
oh dear god no - 02/06/2010 02:41:13 PM 821 Views
Re: oh dear god no - 02/06/2010 02:55:55 PM 895 Views
Re: Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic - 03/06/2010 08:51:52 AM 767 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 02/06/2010 02:15:35 PM 1045 Views
*NM* - 02/06/2010 03:54:04 PM 347 Views
beautiful post!!!!!! *NM* - 02/06/2010 04:03:55 PM 488 Views
Great post, but I would disagree with the top part - 02/06/2010 05:58:59 PM 895 Views
Re: Great post, but I would disagree with the top part - 03/06/2010 04:27:28 AM 891 Views
The pattern makes Rand the greatest man alive *NM* - 03/06/2010 10:35:05 AM 332 Views
Regarding the number of Darkfriends - 02/06/2010 07:06:08 PM 930 Views
Re: Regarding the number of Darkfriends - 03/06/2010 04:34:54 AM 782 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 03/06/2010 09:27:05 AM 891 Views
LOL - 03/06/2010 12:01:27 PM 770 Views
Re: LOL - 03/06/2010 12:41:20 PM 755 Views
Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 12:50:03 PM 787 Views
Re: Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 01:34:04 PM 970 Views
Re: Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 02:05:19 PM 880 Views
We don't even know how third names were earned - 03/06/2010 02:31:46 PM 864 Views
The point isn't her strength or beauty - 03/06/2010 03:01:03 PM 883 Views
Yeah, if only it was accurate - 03/06/2010 01:51:48 PM 939 Views
Re: Yeah, if only it was accurate - 03/06/2010 03:13:05 PM 944 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 03/06/2010 01:18:14 PM 936 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 03/06/2010 02:20:05 PM 862 Views
Reasonable scientific venture - 01/07/2010 10:23:06 AM 967 Views
I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares. - 02/06/2010 03:23:13 PM 823 Views
Hmm... - 03/06/2010 09:28:55 AM 796 Views
Because the variables we see are rarely as specific. - 03/06/2010 03:18:16 PM 775 Views
I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. - 02/06/2010 05:14:08 PM 1010 Views
Re: I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. - 02/06/2010 08:30:32 PM 803 Views
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Meh. How do we know they aren't awarded the way the Nobel Peace Prize is in our world? - 02/06/2010 11:33:48 PM 805 Views
I don't know if Lanfear, the perfect woman didn't have a 3rd name it must have been - 02/06/2010 11:49:02 PM 756 Views
Lews Therin browbeat the Third Name Committee! - 03/06/2010 07:48:41 AM 719 Views
LOL *NM* - 03/06/2010 12:03:07 PM 436 Views
LOL They called it "Tamyrlin-Gate" =) *NM* - 04/06/2010 09:48:28 PM 315 Views

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