I think there is more to these women than simply being the Dragon's Mate
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 12:09:10 PM
I think that the Pattern tries to match up the Dragon with a suitable mate - someone who will satisfy him in every way. Considering he's the greatest man in the world, he needs a woman of equal prowess.
In the AOL, the Pattern might have tried Mierin initially. She seemed to have everything except that her personality was flawed, so that didn't work out. Ilyena seemed to have been the next 'ultimate woman'. We don't know much about her, but she was in no way some cheap barmaid that LTT was attracted to. As Ilyena Sunhair, she seemed to have considerable prowess as an Aes Sedai.
I don't think that any women of equal stature occur in the 3rd Age, which is why the Pattern clumped him with three women. Even if he'd been paired with the best of what the Age had to offer (probably someone like Elayne), he would have felt unfulfilled. Women like Ilyena don't exist anymore. We've seen Egwene and Min feeling unsubstantial when Lanfear appears - and that's just from her appearance.
The three women equalling Ilyena is an old theory, but I do think collectively they are Ilyena's essence - but definitely not her soul or ancestry etc.
Aviendha - passionate, aggressive, dashain Aiel, channeler, attractive
Elayne - educated, noble, channeler, tenacious, attractive
Min - empathy, goodwill, philosophy, uncomplicated, atractive
Ilyena was probably all of these in one.
I do think that AOL women (and men) are of much higher quality. We've only really got the Forsaken to go on, so that makes evidence tough, but ignoring their evil personalities they're remarkably accomplished people in general : almost all of them are attractive, physically strong and well educated. It seems that, like channeling, 3rd Age people are a level down in quality. They're a select group in many ways, so they're poor evidence - but Rand's visions of the AOL showed that the Aes Sedai in the Breaking were generally up there too. There really wasn't much for the Pattern to work with to suit up the DR with a mate.
I personally think that Nynaeve comes closest to AOL greatness (if you believe that Age to be superior : some readers don't). She seems to be an all-round accomplished woman, which is why Legendary Lan likes her so much.
All 3 of his current women offer specific necessities the Dragon can't live without. Min and her viewing, Aviendha brings the Aiel and Elayne the AS. There seems to be Prophetic things involved with them as well ... 3 women on a boat and all that. I'm convinced there will be something else that requires there to be 3 individuals with different abilities ... perhaps the 3 become 1 thing is about them... who knows.
I doubt very much that looks or OP strength have anything to do with Rand, especially since Min can't channel at all! If the Pattern wanted a "more suitable" mate for Rand it would have spun such a woman out. The fact that it didn't tells me that the Pattern actually needed these 3 woman to be separate individuals for a specific reason.
On a side note I find it rather funny that you think Mierin was the "ultimate woman", except for that pesky personality which lead her to be one of the most evil beings of all time ... beauty and OP strength do not make someone "higher quality", IMO she's one of the most flawed characters in the books. So much so that ALL she is is beauty and OP strength. Painfully cliche actually.
Early in the series I thought she was a great character, but over the years I've lost all interest in her because she's kind of pathetic, this is a person who could have done anything she wanted but instead acts like a spoiled child and completely focuses on what she can't have. She's also become so completely predictable that she's not even fun to read about anymore. Personally I'm glad that she's Mindtrapped, at least that way she's got errands to run and stays out of the way.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Matching the Dragon with a mate
02/06/2010 10:09:49 AM
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I think there is more to these women than simply being the Dragon's Mate
02/06/2010 12:09:10 PM
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What more IS there to being a woman?
02/06/2010 03:52:23 PM
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Re: What more IS there to being a woman?
02/06/2010 04:58:36 PM
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Re: What more IS there to being a woman?
03/06/2010 08:51:25 AM
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riiiight
03/06/2010 11:20:31 AM
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Re: riiiight
03/06/2010 01:53:49 PM
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the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much
03/06/2010 02:14:08 PM
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Re: the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much
03/06/2010 02:23:32 PM
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I never said that's all they were
03/06/2010 08:49:53 AM
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Re: I never said that's all they were
03/06/2010 11:44:51 AM
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Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic
02/06/2010 12:48:56 PM
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oh dear god no
02/06/2010 02:41:13 PM
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Back in the concept days I believe the DR was more like Tam and the love interest
02/06/2010 02:55:45 PM
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02/06/2010 02:15:35 PM
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Great post, but I would disagree with the top part
02/06/2010 05:58:59 PM
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03/06/2010 09:27:05 AM
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LOL
03/06/2010 12:01:27 PM
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Re: LOL
03/06/2010 12:41:20 PM
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Excellent point!
03/06/2010 12:50:03 PM
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Re: Excellent point!
03/06/2010 01:34:04 PM
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Re: Excellent point!
03/06/2010 02:05:19 PM
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Ah, so by great you mean Ghandi, and not Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great...
05/06/2010 08:57:52 AM
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I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares.
02/06/2010 03:23:13 PM
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02/06/2010 03:40:38 PM
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I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way.
02/06/2010 05:14:08 PM
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Re: I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way.
02/06/2010 08:30:32 PM
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02/06/2010 10:42:17 PM
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Meh. How do we know they aren't awarded the way the Nobel Peace Prize is in our world?
02/06/2010 11:33:48 PM
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I don't know if Lanfear, the perfect woman didn't have a 3rd name it must have been
02/06/2010 11:49:02 PM
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