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This is how Damane and Sul'Dam are determined, straight from tGH FanEditor10 Send a noteboard - 03/06/2010 08:14:03 AM
I don't know if it's made explicit, but I'm pretty sure the sul'dam and damane "test" girls in the way that Moiraine just knows that Egwene and Nynaeve have the spark.

It's kind of weird, though... how would they "test" for sul'dam? If it's something as simple as just putting on the bracelet, wouldn't a potential damane possible become a sul'dam?


The only way I can see it be done (while keeping the Seancean's odd ideals and ideas in mind) is like this- girls are inspected for the spark, once a year. If a girl is "cleared," then she's allowed to test for sul'dam?

But... what are the age restrictions for these two? You'd have to completely rule out the girl being a damane before letting her test for sul'dam...


You are completely right while at the same time expressing disbelief. Lol.

Some of this is repeat from my post higher up on this thread.

In tGH when Egwene is captured and collared, her sul'dam explains to her how damane and sul'dam are chosen, and it IS as simple as trying on the bracelet for one.

It is considered a feastday when the troops come out to test girls. Every woman has the collar attached to her by a trained sul'dam. If teh sul'dam can feel her, or control her, that woman is collared as damane and taken away. Every girl who is not collared then has the chance to try on the bracelet with a Damane on the other end. If the girl can sense the woman at the other end of the bracelet, she is marked out to be Sul'Dam. Every one else just makes merry once they are done being tested.

The reason the Sul'dam are not collared as Damane and are able to pass that portion of the test is because although they have the potential to learn, they haven't begun learning yet. Aes Sedai cannot sense a woman's ability to learn to channel, only her inborn ability if she has not manifested yet, and even then she must be close. A woman who has to be taught to channel would have no sign, like the gray novice from the rebel camp (I'm drawing a blank on her name). She only had the ability to learn and until she started being taught she never channeled once by instinct, and she never Slowed the way channelers do. This leads me to believe that unless taught, they are indistinguishable from other women.

On that line of reasoning, women could be selected as future Sul'dam between the ages of 18-23 (25 being outside the norm, but still possible). The average novice training takes somewhere between 3 years (the record) and easily upwards of six. And this is for women actively recieving lessons and practicing the one power. The Sul'dam say that it takes a very long time for one of them to begin to see what a damane is channeling, so it would be safe to say that they don't learn enough fast enough to be detected before age 25. Also, none of the Sul'dam Slow the way channelers do. Every Sul'dam thus far in the series to be collared has been an older, more experienced Sul'dam, not a new/young one who hasn't had time to develop the sense.
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