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Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate DomA Send a noteboard - 03/06/2010 01:18:14 PM
I think Rand is the greatest.


We completely disagree about "greatness". For you it's all about deeds, and for me it's even more about who the person is.


I'd say his greatness stems from his ability to route the Shadow. He's destroyed most of their generals, which makes him a man worthy of legend.


Which you confuse with greatness, IMO.

Beside, let's get real:

- Rand survived Be'lal because Moiraine killed him for Rand.
- Rand survived Sammael because Moridin interferred
- Rand survived Rahvin because Nynaeve distracted him

Never trust legends...

As evidence by what? Mierin was not obscure. She was not world famous but she was respected by her colleagues.


How does that differ from being obscure, exactlty? You think the hordes of anonymous scientists working in the top facilities in the world right now aren't obscure to anyone but the people in their field?

She had flaws which the ultimate evil could work upon to win her over.


Evil didn't work upon her, she went to the Shadow on her own. RJ was extremely specific about this. He didn't want people to feel sorry for Lanfear, or make apologies for her flaws and her bad choices.

That's the exact same story for the other 12.


Not what I meant.

As opposed to Semirhage's altruism, or Be'lal's humility?


What does that have to do with anything? I wasn't saying Lanfear is the worst of the Forsaken, I was speaking of her narcissism.

I don't see how saying she was no worse than the other 12 makes her a better woman anyway.

There's no evidence for that. We don't know that details regarding the drilling, or their precautions or thoughts at the time.


The fact speak for themselves. You can keep your delusion it was a perfectly reasonable scientific venture if you want to. The facts remain they didn't know what they were doing and it went terribly wrong, and obviously they did nothing to repair their mistake, didn't understand how dangerous what they had done was, or what they attempted didn't work. Over a century later, the top Aes Sedai of the Age were still at loss on how to deal with it. Posae wanted to shield the area until a permanent solution could be found.

Beside, this all came from a hubristic thirst for more power, that the Age didn't need. With the Bore, Jordan created a metaphor for hubristic science.
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Matching the Dragon with a mate Sidious - 02/06/2010 10:09:49 AM 1554 Views
I think there is more to these women than simply being the Dragon's Mate darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:09:10 PM 881 Views
I agree with darius. Also, 2/3rds of Rand's women newyorkersedai - 02/06/2010 02:38:13 PM 857 Views
What more IS there to being a woman? Cannoli - 02/06/2010 03:52:23 PM 945 Views
Re: What more IS there to being a woman? darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 04:58:36 PM 796 Views
Re: What more IS there to being a woman? Sidious - 03/06/2010 08:51:25 AM 735 Views
riiiight darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 11:20:31 AM 667 Views
Re: riiiight Sidious - 03/06/2010 01:53:49 PM 771 Views
the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 02:14:08 PM 793 Views
Re: the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much Sidious - 03/06/2010 02:23:32 PM 900 Views
Oh Sid! darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 02:53:48 PM 755 Views
Re: Oh Sid! Sidious - 04/06/2010 04:58:13 AM 638 Views
Like who echooff - 01/07/2010 12:40:14 PM 691 Views
Ditto RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2010 04:41:15 PM 789 Views
Re: Ditto Sidious - 04/06/2010 04:56:45 PM 1113 Views
I never said that's all they were Sidious - 03/06/2010 08:49:53 AM 762 Views
Re: I never said that's all they were darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 11:44:51 AM 797 Views
Re: I never said that's all they were Sidious - 03/06/2010 02:04:29 PM 748 Views
totally disagree! darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 02:50:58 PM 845 Views
Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic Isabel - 02/06/2010 12:48:56 PM 819 Views
oh dear god no newyorkersedai - 02/06/2010 02:41:13 PM 769 Views
Back in the concept days I believe the DR was more like Tam and the love interest darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:55:45 PM 811 Views
Re: oh dear god no DomA - 02/06/2010 02:55:55 PM 838 Views
Re: Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic Sidious - 03/06/2010 08:51:52 AM 723 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate DomA - 02/06/2010 02:15:35 PM 977 Views
*NM* Myrdhyn - 02/06/2010 03:54:04 PM 322 Views
beautiful post!!!!!! *NM* car'a'aman - 02/06/2010 04:03:55 PM 463 Views
Great post, but I would disagree with the top part Guava - 02/06/2010 05:58:59 PM 852 Views
Re: Great post, but I would disagree with the top part DomA - 03/06/2010 04:27:28 AM 831 Views
The pattern makes Rand the greatest man alive *NM* Knightscape - 03/06/2010 10:35:05 AM 309 Views
Regarding the number of Darkfriends ursidae - 02/06/2010 07:06:08 PM 884 Views
Re: Regarding the number of Darkfriends DomA - 03/06/2010 04:34:54 AM 739 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate Sidious - 03/06/2010 09:27:05 AM 829 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 12:01:27 PM 714 Views
Re: LOL DomA - 03/06/2010 12:41:20 PM 713 Views
Excellent point! darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 12:50:03 PM 738 Views
Re: Excellent point! DomA - 03/06/2010 01:34:04 PM 924 Views
Re: Excellent point! darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 02:05:19 PM 828 Views
We don't even know how third names were earned Sidious - 03/06/2010 02:31:46 PM 797 Views
The point isn't her strength or beauty darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 03:01:03 PM 821 Views
Yeah, if only it was accurate Sidious - 03/06/2010 01:51:48 PM 890 Views
Re: Yeah, if only it was accurate darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 03:13:05 PM 883 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate DomA - 03/06/2010 01:18:14 PM 884 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate Sidious - 03/06/2010 02:20:05 PM 803 Views
Reasonable scientific venture Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 10:23:06 AM 927 Views
Ah, so by great you mean Ghandi, and not Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great... Shannow - 05/06/2010 08:57:52 AM 666 Views
I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/06/2010 03:23:13 PM 781 Views
Re: I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares LoialT - 02/06/2010 03:40:38 PM 777 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 03/06/2010 09:28:55 AM 745 Views
Because the variables we see are rarely as specific. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/06/2010 03:18:16 PM 720 Views
I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. Cannoli - 02/06/2010 05:14:08 PM 952 Views
Re: I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. BlackAdder - 02/06/2010 08:30:32 PM 753 Views
eucatastrophe - 02/06/2010 10:42:17 PM 710 Views
Meh. How do we know they aren't awarded the way the Nobel Peace Prize is in our world? Cannoli - 02/06/2010 11:33:48 PM 759 Views
I don't know if Lanfear, the perfect woman didn't have a 3rd name it must have been darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:02 PM 684 Views
Lews Therin browbeat the Third Name Committee! eucatastrophe - 03/06/2010 07:48:41 AM 672 Views
LOL *NM* darius_sedai - 03/06/2010 12:03:07 PM 400 Views
LOL They called it "Tamyrlin-Gate" =) *NM* newyorkersedai - 04/06/2010 09:48:28 PM 295 Views
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