Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM
Semirhage means Lady of Pain.
But translations may prove difficult. RJ says he has the meanings of all the Forsaken names, it it will no doubt appear in the encyclopedia.
But he also said that he didn't develop a complete Old Tongue language, and that he pretty much used words as and when necessary.
So we might well see a situation where the actual syllables and meaning of a Forsaken name don't match up as far as the Old Tongue is concerned, or contradicts other uses of the same phrase.
Demandred might be "Lord of Hate" but something like Lord may already have been given as the "Gai" in Gai' shain, which means Battle Lord or something.
This is a stupid example, and may be totally incorrect, as I can't actually remember exactly what Gai Shain means, but I think you see the point I'm trying to make.
But translations may prove difficult. RJ says he has the meanings of all the Forsaken names, it it will no doubt appear in the encyclopedia.
But he also said that he didn't develop a complete Old Tongue language, and that he pretty much used words as and when necessary.
So we might well see a situation where the actual syllables and meaning of a Forsaken name don't match up as far as the Old Tongue is concerned, or contradicts other uses of the same phrase.
Demandred might be "Lord of Hate" but something like Lord may already have been given as the "Gai" in Gai' shain, which means Battle Lord or something.
This is a stupid example, and may be totally incorrect, as I can't actually remember exactly what Gai Shain means, but I think you see the point I'm trying to make.
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- 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM
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Yeah...
- 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM
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Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand...
- 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM
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Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames?
- 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM
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Nice ideas!
- 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM
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The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
- 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM
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Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
- 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM
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Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle
- 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use
- 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM
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I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation
- 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM
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it's the other way around...
- 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM
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good point
- 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM
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Re: good point
- 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM
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Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name
- 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM
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What about Cyndane
- 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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- 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned
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- 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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- 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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Well she earned Mierin
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- 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her
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- 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha
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- 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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HA! But technically I think her mother earned that
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- 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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Re: good point
- 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM
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Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive
- 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM
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I disagree
- 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM
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Personally I think that order was off the cuff
- 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM
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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff
- 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM
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Disagree
- 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM
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Re: Disagree
- 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM
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I'm not being very clear
- 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM
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The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown.
- 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM
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The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive
- 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM
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I don't see that bearing out in the text at all
- 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM
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Like Etzel I don't agree
- 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM
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I think she's a weak villain
- 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM
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Re: I think she's a weak villain
- 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM
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and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos
- 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM
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Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations
- 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM
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Regarding "Demandred" ...
- 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM
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I always thought it was a coincidence
- 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM
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Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
- 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM
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Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
- 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM
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Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
- 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM
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Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
- 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM
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And Dragon translations...
- 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM
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Re: And Dragon translations...
- 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM
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Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"?
- 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM
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It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning
- 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM
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Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand
- 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM
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like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears"
- 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM
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But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon
- 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM
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If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too...
- 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM
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"Dragon Wannabe"
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- 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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- 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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Lizard? *NM*
- 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM
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"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride
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- 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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- 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words...
- 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM
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