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Re: Elza didn't use the true power DomA Send a noteboard - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM
Cadsuane and the WO aren't the only ones who could deduce Cadsuane kept the domination band and where. She intended to test it eventually on an Asha'man, but still had to convince Rand to let her (she had made another attempt in chapter one). Her followers and probably pretty much everyone present at Semirhage's capture probably knew about that (it's when Cadsuane grabbed the objects...). Cadsuane had promised Rand it was safe.

Most importantly, notice that at the first meeting with Cadsuane upon their arrival, Bair and Sorilea already knew Cadsuane had male/female a'dam and took the initiative to ask her about that. Cadsuane wasn't in any way surprised that they knew. They knew she was the one keeping them. So, it wasn't a secret that Cadsuane had the DM.

Her hiding place wasn't quite "clever": in her room, in a trunk. Riiiight. No one would search her room first, no one would look in her trunk after trying her jewels box. Cadsuane sinned by overconfidence. She thinks she has everyone under control, and that inverted weaves can't be detected. She was wrong.

The other obvious fact: Cadsuane has not even wondered (nor Nynaeve, nor the WO) how the Shadow could find the DM. There was no hunt for the DF who led Elza/Semirhage to it, for the good reason everyone knew Elza needed no one telling her Cadsuane had the DM, and Cadsuane's hding place had been all too obvious to any BA in the group, and Elza/Semirhage just had to wait until Cadsuane was out of the building to steal it. Had Bair and Sorilea been the only ones to know, Cadsuane would have suspected them immediately.

We also know it's Shaidar Haran who made Elza steal the DB. It's probably him who could detect wards. Most likely he asked Elza in the first place where the a'dam taken from Semirhage were. Elza answered "probably in Cadsuane's room". SH made her search it, they found the warded trunk, and SH taught Elza how to unravel the ward (yes, she probably used the TP for that. SH couldn't do it itself because of limitations to its interaction with the physical world).


I really doubt Elza was allowed access to the true power. SH popped in on Graendel and she was actively channeling. When he showed up the source dissapeared and so did the weaves of compulsion she was using on cyndane and moghedien. He could have just used that power of his and walk into Caddy's room and open the trunk. The weaves probably just unraveled when he came near. Elza didn't use the TP. no way.


All good... except Brandon said Elza had to be taught rare weaves to do this herself, because Shaidar Haran is limited in how he can interact with the physical world. If Shaidar Haran did all the channelling involved himself, why did Brandon said Elza had to be taught rare weaves and that what SH did to her was very unpleasant?
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3792 Views
Maybe they found it with need? - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 1113 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1415 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1221 Views
Another good point. - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1189 Views
A good point. - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 973 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1152 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1240 Views
Would that work, I wonder? - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 1033 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 837 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 1077 Views
It's possible, but not likely, IMHO. - 29/06/2010 11:46:08 AM 996 Views
Ĵust to point out the obvious... - 27/06/2010 05:58:55 PM 1132 Views
You really think Elza used the TP? - 28/06/2010 05:35:20 AM 940 Views
I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM 1062 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 01:48:10 PM 1112 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 1042 Views
I agree - 28/06/2010 10:10:04 PM 1046 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 11:17:19 PM 1027 Views
I agree as well - 29/06/2010 09:20:10 AM 945 Views
Sensing the TP - 01/07/2010 07:12:26 AM 846 Views
Re: Sensing the TP - 01/07/2010 08:56:42 AM 804 Views
Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 1020 Views
It seems... - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 966 Views
Re: It seems... - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 974 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/06/2010 07:08:30 PM 782 Views
Good points - 29/06/2010 08:16:43 PM 1114 Views
That's a good observation - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 970 Views
Yeah, that would make some sense! *NM* - 30/06/2010 09:59:07 AM 885 Views
Some thoughts - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 872 Views
Elza didn't use the true power - 28/06/2010 05:42:29 AM 939 Views
Re: Elza didn't use the true power - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM 1102 Views
It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 929 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 1035 Views
About use of the TP - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 1047 Views
UR WRONG - 27/06/2010 11:09:35 PM 957 Views
AM NOT111 - 29/06/2010 12:32:09 PM 785 Views
I tend to doubt that one of them is a DF - 29/06/2010 09:45:58 AM 837 Views
"Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 12:37:09 PM 939 Views
Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 755 Views
I think it is Sorilea - 29/06/2010 06:40:49 PM 892 Views
Re: I think it is Sorilea - 29/06/2010 07:57:38 PM 957 Views
I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 29/06/2010 08:31:01 PM 874 Views
I agree that seems a bit too nasty for RJ - 30/06/2010 08:43:00 AM 892 Views
Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 1023 Views
you are likley correct - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 843 Views
Yes, Ingtar - wrong guy lol (posting from work) - 30/06/2010 12:30:54 PM 987 Views

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