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Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM
Semi was given the Sad Bracelets by SH.

Shaidar Haran could have conceivably found them, but I still think there was a reason Jordon/Brandon wrote the scene with Bair/Sorilea in.

One thing we know from the same book is that Sorilea is weak in the power but extremely gifted at copying flows she has seen even just once. I therefore find myself suspecting her. I think we'd need to go back through the series and look more closely at Bair and Sorilea's actions before jumping to the DF conclusion though. But this issue has bugged me for quite a while.


In the book Ch 22:

A woman in green, with brown hair, pulled back into a tail, her head bowed.
"I live to serve, Great Mistress," the woman whispered. "I am instructed to tell you that there is Compulsion in my mind you are to remove."
Semirhage raised an eyebrow; she hadn't realized there were any of the Black among the Aes Sedai here. Removing compulsion could have a very... nasty effect on a person. Even if the Compulsion were weak or subtle, the brain could be harmed seriously by removing it. If the compulsion were strong... well, it was quite interesting to watch.
"Also," the woman said, handing something forward, wrapped in cloth. "I am to give you this." She removed the cloth, revealing a dull-colored metallic collar and two bracelets. The Domination Band.

Do we know who laid the compulsion on Elza? I kinda thought she had been compelled to go retrieve the bracelets, but I remember Verin went around Compelling people in one of the books and I can't remember if Elza was one of them. I don't think any of the Wise Ones with Rand are darkfriends. Plenty of the Aes Sedai are, but not WO's. I'm sure some Wise Ones are DFs, but I kinda figure those are with the Shaido lol.
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? Joel - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3756 Views
Maybe they found it with need? Cannoli - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 1076 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. Lord Haart - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1384 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past darius_sedai - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1190 Views
Another good point. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1155 Views
A good point. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 942 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. CatherineSedai - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1116 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1204 Views
Would that work, I wonder? Joel - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 997 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 792 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? Skeeve the Great - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 1029 Views
It's possible, but not likely, IMHO. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:46:08 AM 964 Views
Ĵust to point out the obvious... DomA - 27/06/2010 05:58:55 PM 1094 Views
You really think Elza used the TP? darius_sedai - 28/06/2010 05:35:20 AM 906 Views
I think the chance of that is zero Sidious - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM 1029 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero DomA - 28/06/2010 01:48:10 PM 1078 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero Sidious - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 1006 Views
I agree scalius - 28/06/2010 10:10:04 PM 1009 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero DomA - 28/06/2010 11:17:19 PM 991 Views
I agree as well Etzel - 29/06/2010 09:20:10 AM 909 Views
Sensing the TP Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 07:12:26 AM 812 Views
Re: Sensing the TP Sidious - 01/07/2010 08:56:42 AM 770 Views
Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: Joel - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 981 Views
It seems... Etzel - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 921 Views
Re: It seems... DomA - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 941 Views
Hmmm.... Etzel - 29/06/2010 07:08:30 PM 738 Views
Good points DomA - 29/06/2010 08:16:43 PM 1079 Views
That's a good observation scalius - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 934 Views
But there isn't anything magical in the sword preparing process, is there? Lordling - 29/06/2010 09:02:58 PM 764 Views
but the swords wear out over time so it could mean that the effect is only a temporary binding darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 09:07:01 PM 1030 Views
Yeah, that would make some sense! *NM* Etzel - 30/06/2010 09:59:07 AM 850 Views
Some thoughts Sidious - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 827 Views
Elza didn't use the true power Timthetrolloc - 28/06/2010 05:42:29 AM 903 Views
Re: Elza didn't use the true power DomA - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM 1066 Views
It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. Joel - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 883 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. DomA - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 989 Views
About use of the TP scalius - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 1008 Views
UR WRONG Deadsy - 27/06/2010 11:09:35 PM 924 Views
AM NOT111 Joel - 29/06/2010 12:32:09 PM 747 Views
I tend to doubt that one of them is a DF Etzel - 29/06/2010 09:45:58 AM 804 Views
"Helping" can be a very subjective term. Joel - 29/06/2010 12:37:09 PM 904 Views
Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. DomA - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 717 Views
I think it is Sorilea RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/06/2010 06:40:49 PM 855 Views
Re: I think it is Sorilea DomA - 29/06/2010 07:57:38 PM 926 Views
I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 08:31:01 PM 839 Views
I agree that seems a bit too nasty for RJ Etzel - 30/06/2010 08:43:00 AM 859 Views
Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much DomA - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 977 Views
you are likley correct darius_sedai - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 808 Views
Yes, Ingtar - wrong guy lol (posting from work) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/06/2010 12:30:54 PM 937 Views
Perrin comes to mind. Anything to save Faile. He's been DF all alonng! who'd have guessed? *NM* Lohikaarme - 08/07/2010 01:08:24 PM 447 Views
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