Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't
Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM
I think Brandon hinted that there is a way to defeat the Rod itself, not the whole Aes Sedai process around taking the Oath.
For some months now I have the following theory:
- to swear the Oath again, the Aes Sedai are un-swearing them;
- since Mesaana didn't swear any Oath, we actually don't know what happens when you are un-swearing them while never swearing in the first place;
- my theory is that such process creates a Oath-negative effect for the channeler, and when the channeler actually swears the Oath, its effect is cancelled by the Oath-negative effect;
- this may actually be tied to the physics of the Rod and so Brandon's words hold true.
For some months now I have the following theory:
- to swear the Oath again, the Aes Sedai are un-swearing them;
- since Mesaana didn't swear any Oath, we actually don't know what happens when you are un-swearing them while never swearing in the first place;
- my theory is that such process creates a Oath-negative effect for the channeler, and when the channeler actually swears the Oath, its effect is cancelled by the Oath-negative effect;
- this may actually be tied to the physics of the Rod and so Brandon's words hold true.
However, Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones. She had oathes to the DO and as shown by the BA hunters the OR cancels those. I don't recall if the "unswearing" was ever fully depicted in the novels but I think it would be a simple "I forswear all oathes previously made"
No Forsaken took any Oath on the Rod. In fact, any regular Darkfriend never took any Oath. Except Black Ajah of course.
Black Ajah had access to the Rod and they NEED to look ageless, so, thus, the Black Ajah Oaths.
How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod?
- 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM
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That isn't tricking the oath rod, the way I'm understanding his answer. That's tricking humans *NM*
- 17/07/2010 10:29:52 AM
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I don't think
- 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM
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As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod.
- 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM
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Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod.
- 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM
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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't
- 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM
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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't
- 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM
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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't
- 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM
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I think this is a tricky issue
- 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM
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Re: I think this is a tricky issue
- 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM
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Perhaps she pressed, and held the on/off switch, so that the Oaths never triggered? *NM*
- 19/07/2010 09:50:13 PM
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Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant.
- 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM
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but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then....
- 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM
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What about the True Power?
- 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM
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A true power invisible glove is better than a one power invisible glove. *NM*
- 20/07/2010 07:46:48 PM
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I doubt Mesaana stands high enough to have TP access right now. She's probably the lowest FS. *NM*
- 20/07/2010 07:55:31 PM
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Yeah I realize what I presented was kinda the opposite of what I was going for.
- 20/07/2010 02:15:46 AM
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I just thought of the most obvious way around it.
- 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM
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Wouldn't work
- 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM
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I agree, but...
- 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM
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This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link
- 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM
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Re: Wouldn't work
- 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM
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I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else
- 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM
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Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else
- 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM
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Off-topic question:
- 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM
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I'm fairly certain that the ability can't be sensed until they are very close to touching
- 21/07/2010 09:29:54 PM
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