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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM
I think Brandon hinted that there is a way to defeat the Rod itself, not the whole Aes Sedai process around taking the Oath.

For some months now I have the following theory:
- to swear the Oath again, the Aes Sedai are un-swearing them;
- since Mesaana didn't swear any Oath, we actually don't know what happens when you are un-swearing them while never swearing in the first place;
- my theory is that such process creates a Oath-negative effect for the channeler, and when the channeler actually swears the Oath, its effect is cancelled by the Oath-negative effect;
- this may actually be tied to the physics of the Rod and so Brandon's words hold true.


However, Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones. She had oathes to the DO and as shown by the BA hunters the OR cancels those. I don't recall if the "unswearing" was ever fully depicted in the novels but I think it would be a simple "I forswear all oathes previously made"


No Forsaken took any Oath on the Rod. In fact, any regular Darkfriend never took any Oath. Except Black Ajah of course.

Black Ajah had access to the Rod and they NEED to look ageless, so, thus, the Black Ajah Oaths.
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? CatherineSedai - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 4225 Views
That isn't tricking the oath rod, the way I'm understanding his answer. That's tricking humans *NM* Deadsy - 17/07/2010 10:29:52 AM 550 Views
I agree with Deadsy... Etzel - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1241 Views
could be nigelgoboom - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 1110 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR darius_sedai - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 1223 Views
I don't think DomA - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1521 Views
Re: I don't think Froggles - 17/07/2010 07:26:57 PM 1165 Views
Re: I don't think DomA - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 1167 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS darius_sedai - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 1229 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* Gher - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 638 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. Skeeve the Great - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 1192 Views
That's an interesting theory Gher - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 1140 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 1098 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 993 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 1034 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 1309 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 1054 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 1044 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? lodlom - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 995 Views
I think this is a tricky issue Sidious - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 1176 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue DomA - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 1230 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 1086 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? DomA - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 1073 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue darius_sedai - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 1022 Views
Perhaps she pressed, and held the on/off switch, so that the Oaths never triggered? *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/07/2010 09:50:13 PM 516 Views
Everything you said but this... CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 1116 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. The Angry Druid - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 1119 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... mazza3 - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 974 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: The Angry Druid - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 1275 Views
Because Lord Haart - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 1018 Views
What about the True Power? L0gan - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 1133 Views
TP + OR = Boom? Datakim - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 1059 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 1113 Views
A true power invisible glove is better than a one power invisible glove. *NM* Logain - 20/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 545 Views
I doubt Mesaana stands high enough to have TP access right now. She's probably the lowest FS. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 07:55:31 PM 510 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? LoialT - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 1127 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 559 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 935 Views
Yeah I realize what I presented was kinda the opposite of what I was going for. CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 02:15:46 AM 1057 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 1135 Views
I actually like this idea. Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 1065 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. Logain - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 1218 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 976 Views
Wouldn't work Sidious - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 1051 Views
I agree, but... LoialT - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 1161 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 1032 Views
I bet it wouldn't work LoialT - 20/07/2010 08:52:00 PM 1478 Views
this is also possible darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 1064 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM 1071 Views
I don't know darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 1048 Views
Re: Wouldn't work RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1420 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 1014 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 1088 Views
Off-topic question: Gher - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 955 Views
I'm fairly certain that the ability can't be sensed until they are very close to touching darius_sedai - 21/07/2010 09:29:54 PM 1033 Views
What about immortality? Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 960 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. Gher - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 944 Views
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