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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM
No Forsaken took any Oath on the Rod. In fact, any regular Darkfriend never took any Oath. Except Black Ajah of course.

Black Ajah had access to the Rod and they NEED to look ageless, so, thus, the Black Ajah Oaths.


Never claimed that they took oaths on the OR, in fact I agree 100% that they did not considering their attitude towards the AS of this age who voluntarily do. However Messy and all of the forsaken do take oaths to the dark. In fact the difference betwen the Forsaken and the rest of the DFs is that they perform their oaths at SG directly to the DO. We just don"t know how "binding" those oaths are.


But this is irrelevant to the conversation! We are talking about effects the Rod has on the channelers. Not some other type of oaths and some other means to swear them. We are specifically talking about the Oath the Aes Sedai are taking using the Rod.

Since Mesaana never took the Oath on the Rod, we don't know the effect it would have on her to unswear them. My theory is that it has Oath-negative effect and as soon as channeler take the Oath, its nullified by the Oath-negative effect.

The big problem with my theory so far is that in Age of Legends any criminal channeler could've unswore before was administered the punishment and thus escaping it alltogether.

But maybe Dominic is right (in some of his post he mentioned it) and you have to swear-unswear on the same Rod in order to have the effect. We actually don't know what happens to the Aes Sedai that want to unswear the Oaths on the different Rod. We saw that Galina was forced to take different Oaths on different Rod, but it's not the same.
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? CatherineSedai - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 3779 Views
That isn't tricking the oath rod, the way I'm understanding his answer. That's tricking humans *NM* Deadsy - 17/07/2010 10:29:52 AM 443 Views
I agree with Deadsy... Etzel - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1038 Views
could be nigelgoboom - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 917 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR darius_sedai - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 1001 Views
I don't think DomA - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1267 Views
Re: I don't think Froggles - 17/07/2010 07:26:57 PM 965 Views
Re: I don't think DomA - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 949 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS darius_sedai - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 988 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* Gher - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 530 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. Skeeve the Great - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 967 Views
That's an interesting theory Gher - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 957 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 880 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 796 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 822 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 1090 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 854 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 840 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? lodlom - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 812 Views
I think this is a tricky issue Sidious - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 976 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue DomA - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 1015 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 899 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? DomA - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 878 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue darius_sedai - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 831 Views
Perhaps she pressed, and held the on/off switch, so that the Oaths never triggered? *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/07/2010 09:50:13 PM 421 Views
Everything you said but this... CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 881 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. The Angry Druid - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 925 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... mazza3 - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 766 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: The Angry Druid - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 1046 Views
Because Lord Haart - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 763 Views
What about the True Power? L0gan - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 922 Views
TP + OR = Boom? Datakim - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 839 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 917 Views
A true power invisible glove is better than a one power invisible glove. *NM* Logain - 20/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 437 Views
I doubt Mesaana stands high enough to have TP access right now. She's probably the lowest FS. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 07:55:31 PM 416 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? LoialT - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 852 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 442 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? HyogaRott - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 732 Views
Yeah I realize what I presented was kinda the opposite of what I was going for. CatherineSedai - 20/07/2010 02:15:46 AM 842 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 910 Views
I actually like this idea. Skeeve the Great - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 810 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. Logain - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 985 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 780 Views
Wouldn't work Sidious - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 837 Views
I agree, but... LoialT - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 933 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 821 Views
I bet it wouldn't work LoialT - 20/07/2010 08:52:00 PM 1267 Views
this is also possible darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 851 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM 827 Views
I don't know darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 842 Views
Re: Wouldn't work RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1198 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else darius_sedai - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 825 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 910 Views
Off-topic question: Gher - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 752 Views
I'm fairly certain that the ability can't be sensed until they are very close to touching darius_sedai - 21/07/2010 09:29:54 PM 832 Views
What about immortality? Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 757 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. Gher - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 699 Views
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