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I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.


The more I think about it the less I believe it is possible for the TP to be accessed through the link without the DO allowing it. Sure the link may have enabled the situation, but the DO could have shut Rand down pretty easily if he'd wanted too. The TP is essence of the DO so I have a hard time believing Rand could have used it without him immediately knowing what was up.

Personally I think the DO simply took advantage of the situation and sacrificed Semirhage when he realized he had an opportunity to get Rand addicted to the TP. As the quote in the original post points out the goal was to capture and TURN your opponents piece, sacrificing your own pieces in order to achieve it.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1778 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 977 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 329 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 322 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 901 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 900 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 836 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 675 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 704 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 744 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 740 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 748 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 709 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 720 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 671 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 697 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 787 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 824 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 744 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 745 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 749 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 715 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 789 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 785 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 750 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 800 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 711 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 696 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 778 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 703 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 824 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 703 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 656 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 676 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 304 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 638 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 675 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 724 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 689 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 286 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 652 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 688 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 698 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 744 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 703 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 696 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 787 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 746 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 643 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 686 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 699 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 715 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 692 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 677 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 668 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 673 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 657 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 664 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 704 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 676 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 721 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 646 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 605 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1017 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 311 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 291 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 673 Views
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