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If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM

It may not have been the primary plan, but I think it is quite reasonable that the Dark One left the CK for Rand on purpose. I have yet to see a better explanation for why the CK was left behind.

The better explanation is the logical one - it was overlooked or impossible to steal it at the time. We don't even know if SH looked into the box. More likely he sent Elza and she fetched the band. The thought of straying from her mission would incomprehensible when serving a walking terror like SH.



I don't think it was overlooked, because they obviously had the intel of where the male a'dam was. SH and Moridin realized that if Semirhage brought Rand to Shayol Ghul then it was 'Game Over.' The CK wouldn't work at Shayol Ghul, and they would likely have turned Rand to the shadow before a proper rescue effort could have been mounted. Therefore the CK was no longer needed.

Therefore they left the CK behind because it served them better to leave it behind if Semirhage failed to take Rand to Shayol Ghul. They didn't overlook the CK or accidentally leave it behind-- this was a quick-strike operation and they knew exactly where the male a'dam would be. If they knew where the male a'dam was, then it follows they knew the Ck would be there too. They didn't overlook it, they just realized it wasn't needed anymore if Semirhage suceeded. More perplexing, however, is where did they get this intel?

We can argue all we want about the rest of my theory, but it only stands to reason that the pattern had no use left for the CK and therefore it allowed it to be destroyed. Therefore there is no point in arguing about what the light should and could have done with the CK.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1800 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 1003 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 343 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 335 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 926 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 925 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 860 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 701 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 771 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 736 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 742 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 694 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 723 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 808 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 854 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 770 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 770 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 777 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 740 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 815 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 814 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 776 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 825 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 736 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 724 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 804 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 726 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 853 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 727 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 680 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 700 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 315 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 662 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 698 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 747 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 711 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 295 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 676 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 711 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 726 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 769 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 722 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 721 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 816 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 774 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 668 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 708 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 723 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 737 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 721 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 678 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 687 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 729 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 704 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 745 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 671 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 628 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1046 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 326 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 696 Views

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