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??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM

The Choedan Kal may not be able to defeat the DO, but it can still thwart him severely to the point that he has no chance against the Light.

Let's not forget that the Choedan Kal undid one of the Shadow's greatest achievements, namely the taint on saidin. Rand may not be able to kill Shai'tan with the Access Key but he could still annihilate the entire Blight and render the Shadow defenseless.

It's much more likely that SH can't interact with ter'angreal due to his limitations.


You fail to provide a good reason for why they left the CK behind yet you still call the idea stupid if true. You also forget that Rand, himself, realized how dangerous the CK was and voluntarily destroyed it himself. He realized that no mortal could properly wield that amount of power. The CK was the pattern's answer to the taint, but it was not needed for the Last Battle-- which is why the CK was not mentioned in the Karethon Cycle. Therefore you idea of the CK doing a lot of good for the light doesn't make any sense.

The CK in the hands of a madman like Rand was a near ideal situation for the Dark One. Rand very nearly did the Dark One's work for him by destroying the pattern. It may not have been the primary plan, but I think it is quite reasonable that the Dark One left the CK for Rand on purpose. I have yet to see a better explanation for why the CK was left behind.
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^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 723 Views
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You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 855 Views
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Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 724 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 804 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 726 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 854 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 728 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 681 Views
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I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 316 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 663 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 698 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 747 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 712 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 295 Views
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 712 Views
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Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 816 Views
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 708 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 724 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 737 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 678 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 688 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 729 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 704 Views
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Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 671 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 628 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1047 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 326 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 697 Views

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