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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.


I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books later. I think that is pretty impressive. Maybe RJ wanted to mislead us by that quote or maybe he wanted it to be a hint about the DOs true involvement. Semirhage believed that the DO betrayed her and the end result of the exchange seems to me to be in the DOs favor even if he didn't plan it that way. I agree also with what you are saying as well, though.

To me there is not enough evidence to figure out what the DOs involvement is. Hopefully, we will get a Moridin PoV or some other evidence to answer this question.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1722 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 922 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 308 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 302 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 847 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 827 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 775 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 618 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 647 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 683 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 664 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 697 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 650 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 659 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 618 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 650 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 726 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 762 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 684 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 682 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 695 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 651 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 722 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 728 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 697 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 729 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 657 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 644 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 724 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 639 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 742 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 653 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 601 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 623 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 284 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 572 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 624 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 671 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 640 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 262 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 591 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 630 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 647 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 679 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 640 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 649 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 737 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 690 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 594 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 632 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 648 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 658 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 637 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 620 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 608 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 616 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 603 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 610 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 656 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 620 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 672 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 591 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 552 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 948 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 292 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 271 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 618 Views
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