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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM

In any case, I woudn't be surprised SH overlooked the CK. We know what it was, Elza knew what it was, but nothing suggests SH knew what it was.


Maybe. I guess we will (hopefully) find out eventually.


As for her compulsion, I'm not sure Semirhage took the risk to remove it before Rand had been captured, as she clearly had misgivings about removing compulsion and if she failed she was screwed as she needed Elza to capture Rand with the DB. I think Semirhage decided to wait until after Rand was hers - it wouldn't have mattered then if she failed. Elza's sudden uneasiness when Semirhage started to hurt Rand seems to suggests she was still under her compulsion. Her compulsion wouldn't have interferred with what SH asked of her - Elza had convinced herself Rand had to remain alive to face the GL and be defeated. She wasn't serving Rand, she was protecting him until he could face the GL. Bringing Rand to face the GL would be more than allright by her.


Maybe. Though Elza is described as looking dazed by Rand, as though someone had hit her in the head with a club. When I read that I assumed that was the after-effect of compulsion removal. Also remember that Semirhage is a master-healer, one of the foremost in all of AoL, and Verin's compulsion was a very simple and crude. I expect Semirhage delved Elza, laughed at the crude compulsion, and had it removed safely in moments. Also, given that Semirhage knows the order to remove Elza's compulsion came from SH, would she really have decided to delay it out of her own initiative? Especially since she knew she was already in hot water due to her failures?

I think Elza's uneasiness was not really caused by compulsion, but rather by the fact that even she was horrified by what Semirhage was doing. She suddenly realised that she was over her head, and that scared her. I very much doubt Elza had the experience with torture Semirhage had, if she had any at all. It was a case of a small monster being exposed to a huge monster and being horrified as a result.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1677 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 884 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 282 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 283 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 792 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 787 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 737 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 578 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 601 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 627 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 578 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 652 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 609 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 614 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 585 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 607 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 685 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 709 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 632 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 627 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 635 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 607 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 675 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 684 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 635 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 670 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 592 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 598 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 681 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 592 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 669 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 611 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 559 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 578 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 264 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 530 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 578 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 622 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 571 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 243 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 555 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 583 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 602 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 618 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 590 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 603 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 675 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 632 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 555 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 594 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 602 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 601 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 597 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 577 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 568 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 574 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 553 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 570 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 595 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 554 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 597 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 551 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 519 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 887 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 265 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 245 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 579 Views
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