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??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM

The Choedan Kal may not be able to defeat the DO, but it can still thwart him severely to the point that he has no chance against the Light.

Let's not forget that the Choedan Kal undid one of the Shadow's greatest achievements, namely the taint on saidin. Rand may not be able to kill Shai'tan with the Access Key but he could still annihilate the entire Blight and render the Shadow defenseless.

It's much more likely that SH can't interact with ter'angreal due to his limitations.


You fail to provide a good reason for why they left the CK behind yet you still call the idea stupid if true. You also forget that Rand, himself, realized how dangerous the CK was and voluntarily destroyed it himself. He realized that no mortal could properly wield that amount of power. The CK was the pattern's answer to the taint, but it was not needed for the Last Battle-- which is why the CK was not mentioned in the Karethon Cycle. Therefore you idea of the CK doing a lot of good for the light doesn't make any sense.

The CK in the hands of a madman like Rand was a near ideal situation for the Dark One. Rand very nearly did the Dark One's work for him by destroying the pattern. It may not have been the primary plan, but I think it is quite reasonable that the Dark One left the CK for Rand on purpose. I have yet to see a better explanation for why the CK was left behind.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1816 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 1021 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 351 Views
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It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 875 Views
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You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 792 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 760 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 761 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 719 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 744 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 830 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 874 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 791 Views
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Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 834 Views
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I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 845 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 758 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 740 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 820 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 747 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 887 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 746 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 702 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 717 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 322 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 681 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 722 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 776 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 734 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 307 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 695 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 736 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 739 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 786 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 739 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 738 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 832 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 797 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 686 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 731 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 745 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 759 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 700 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 704 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 747 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 726 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 762 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 693 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 647 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1064 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 332 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 717 Views

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