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If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM

It may not have been the primary plan, but I think it is quite reasonable that the Dark One left the CK for Rand on purpose. I have yet to see a better explanation for why the CK was left behind.

The better explanation is the logical one - it was overlooked or impossible to steal it at the time. We don't even know if SH looked into the box. More likely he sent Elza and she fetched the band. The thought of straying from her mission would incomprehensible when serving a walking terror like SH.



I don't think it was overlooked, because they obviously had the intel of where the male a'dam was. SH and Moridin realized that if Semirhage brought Rand to Shayol Ghul then it was 'Game Over.' The CK wouldn't work at Shayol Ghul, and they would likely have turned Rand to the shadow before a proper rescue effort could have been mounted. Therefore the CK was no longer needed.

Therefore they left the CK behind because it served them better to leave it behind if Semirhage failed to take Rand to Shayol Ghul. They didn't overlook the CK or accidentally leave it behind-- this was a quick-strike operation and they knew exactly where the male a'dam would be. If they knew where the male a'dam was, then it follows they knew the Ck would be there too. They didn't overlook it, they just realized it wasn't needed anymore if Semirhage suceeded. More perplexing, however, is where did they get this intel?

We can argue all we want about the rest of my theory, but it only stands to reason that the pattern had no use left for the CK and therefore it allowed it to be destroyed. Therefore there is no point in arguing about what the light should and could have done with the CK.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1748 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 947 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 317 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 309 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 870 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 863 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 804 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 647 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 724 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 676 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 691 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 642 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 674 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 754 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 795 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 707 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 712 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 724 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 682 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 756 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 753 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 720 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 764 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 681 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 669 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 747 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 667 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 771 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 676 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 628 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 648 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 294 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 605 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 649 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 697 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 663 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 273 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 617 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 661 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 669 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 708 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 673 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 676 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 762 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 721 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 620 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 658 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 668 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 689 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 666 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 635 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 634 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 678 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 643 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 695 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 617 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 575 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 983 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 301 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 648 Views

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