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Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM

I don't think it was overlooked, because they obviously had the intel of where the male a'dam was.

.../ /...

If they knew where the male a'dam was, then it follows they knew the Ck would be there too. They didn't overlook it, they just realized it wasn't needed anymore if Semirhage suceeded. More perplexing, however, is where did they get this intel?

You use Need.

If the super-girls can do it, why wouldn't an extremely experienced Dreamwalker be able to use Need in Tel'aran'rhiod to find the location of the Domination Band?
It's unique enough to search for it in TAR (yes, I know there's a few copies, but that shouldn't be any problem). It easily as unique as the Bowl of Winds.

In TAR, the Band even feels different than it's suroundings, so an experienced Dreamwalker like Ishydin -who knows what he si looking for- could feel without actually touching the box that the Band was there.

As we can see in Egwenes PoV in TAR: (TSR, Chapter 11 - What Lies Hidden)
"A finely jointed collar and two bracelets of dull black metal, on a stand by themselves, made her shiver; she felt darkness and pain associated with them—old, old pain, and sharp."

This would also better explain why the CK wasn't taken and the Domination Band was. Shaidar Haran did know the Domination band was there (through Moridins search), but had no clue the CK would be kept in the same place.

Makes the discussion about it moot.
Mik ~ Ishamaels halfmad 'brother'

Death dances in my footsteps....
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1705 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 907 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 291 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 295 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 814 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 812 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 760 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 602 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 633 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 648 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 631 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 680 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 638 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 639 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 605 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 637 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 712 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 732 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 659 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 652 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 666 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 636 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 702 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 711 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 684 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 694 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 640 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 627 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 709 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 623 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 705 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 634 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 586 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 606 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 277 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 554 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 603 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 647 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 621 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 256 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 577 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 616 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 631 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 649 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 617 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 632 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 703 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 658 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 577 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 617 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 629 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 629 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 621 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 602 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 593 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 599 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 582 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 595 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 642 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 608 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 657 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 573 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 540 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 916 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 274 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 257 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 601 Views
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