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Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM

I don't think it was overlooked, because they obviously had the intel of where the male a'dam was.

.../ /...

If they knew where the male a'dam was, then it follows they knew the Ck would be there too. They didn't overlook it, they just realized it wasn't needed anymore if Semirhage suceeded. More perplexing, however, is where did they get this intel?

You use Need.

If the super-girls can do it, why wouldn't an extremely experienced Dreamwalker be able to use Need in Tel'aran'rhiod to find the location of the Domination Band?
It's unique enough to search for it in TAR (yes, I know there's a few copies, but that shouldn't be any problem). It easily as unique as the Bowl of Winds.

In TAR, the Band even feels different than it's suroundings, so an experienced Dreamwalker like Ishydin -who knows what he si looking for- could feel without actually touching the box that the Band was there.

As we can see in Egwenes PoV in TAR: (TSR, Chapter 11 - What Lies Hidden)
"A finely jointed collar and two bracelets of dull black metal, on a stand by themselves, made her shiver; she felt darkness and pain associated with them—old, old pain, and sharp."

This would also better explain why the CK wasn't taken and the Domination Band was. Shaidar Haran did know the Domination band was there (through Moridins search), but had no clue the CK would be kept in the same place.

Makes the discussion about it moot.
Mik ~ Ishamaels halfmad 'brother'

Death dances in my footsteps....
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1724 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 924 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 308 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 302 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 847 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 827 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 777 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 621 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 649 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 686 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 666 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 698 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 652 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 662 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 619 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 652 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 726 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 764 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 684 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 685 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 695 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 653 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 723 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 729 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 699 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 730 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 660 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 645 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 726 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 641 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 744 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 654 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 602 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 625 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 286 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 574 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 626 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 672 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 640 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 264 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 593 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 631 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 649 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 679 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 642 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 651 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 738 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 692 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 595 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 634 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 650 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 660 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 639 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 622 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 609 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 617 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 606 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 612 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 656 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 621 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 673 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 593 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 554 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 950 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 293 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 273 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 619 Views
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