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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious Send a noteboard - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM

The QP I submitted asked who the 2nd most powerful Forsaken is, after Ishamael. The two most popular answers were Demandred and Lanfear.

Jordan named Ishamael, Demandred, Sammael, Lanfear, Graendal and Semirhage as the top Forsaken in the Shadow - who were always near to the top of the Shadow hierarchy due to their skills in the physical and political world.

My own personal theory is that these six Forsaken are pretty similar in the One Power - so similar that dueling will probably lead to unpredictable results. I don't think that they are similar in strength - Ishamael could be considerably strong in saidin compared to Graendal or Semirhage. However, they all have special skills which make them powerful Forsaken. None of them hid like Moghedien, and all of them have shown that they are prepared to openly challenge a threat of equal power.

All of those six are extremely powerful in the One Power, with Ishamael and Lanfear showing the highest possible levels attainable, and the other four with slightly less. Regarding individual skill, Demandred is generally skilled in most things, and Graendal and Semirhage are among the most skilled in their fields who have ever lived. All six are equally willing to kill an opponent, and are all established mass murderers. Lanfear, Sammael and Semirhage are openly aggressive Forsaken who devastate first and ask questions later. Ishamael, Demandred and Graendal shy away from direct conflict if they can and use precision strikes and uncommon skills to undermine their opponents.

In summary I think that those six Forsaken are close to the top of everything - strength, skill, attitude towards battle. Where one has great strength in something it is balanced by a weakness somewhere else. Ishamael is probably the single most powerful of the thirteen overall, which is pretty much hinted at in the books on several occasions. The other five are probably all on a relatively level playing field.

Demandred, Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal and Sammael could probably duel one another with unpredictable results, and the result would be 50-50 if they dueled a hundred times. It makes them inferior to Ishamael and Lews Therin, but not to each other.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1844 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1027 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1090 Views
Of course... - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 883 Views
I've been thinking the same for years - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 993 Views
The Big White Book says... - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1060 Views
Not Aginor - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1066 Views
Re: Not Aginor - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 966 Views
Re: Not Aginor - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1018 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 939 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 970 Views
Or... - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 911 Views
Re: Or... - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 883 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 938 Views
Re: Not Aginor - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 878 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 985 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 497 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 893 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1047 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 924 Views
the other reason - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 852 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 855 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1427 Views
Graendal herself says... - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 881 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 937 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 961 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 801 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 886 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1037 Views
I agree with this - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1031 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 908 Views
Excellent point *NM* - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 509 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 479 Views
Hm? When? *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 412 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 456 Views
Not at all - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 954 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 808 Views
I'm not so sure about that - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 887 Views
Totally agree - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 728 Views
I don't agree. - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1009 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 850 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 427 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 468 Views
Really? - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 871 Views
No falsely... - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1098 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1053 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 818 Views
They correlate on some critical points - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1003 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 770 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 909 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 772 Views
Probably - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 924 Views
Re: Probably - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 896 Views
Re: Probably - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 868 Views
Re: Probably - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1207 Views
Ahh the old debate... - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 861 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 823 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 895 Views
I do think Ishamel is special - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 986 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 939 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 913 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 895 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 872 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 882 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 886 Views
The more interesting question is... - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 814 Views
Hmmm - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 884 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 923 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 744 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 804 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 839 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 888 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 918 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 680 Views
Yup... - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 732 Views
I still like Lanfear more - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 826 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 825 Views
only in love *NM* - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 785 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 917 Views
Agreed - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 810 Views
Ummm... how do we know? - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 948 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 855 Views
Hmmm... - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1040 Views

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