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Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM
She would not dare face rands strength directly if rahvin fell before him.


And Demandred won't go after Rand without a sa'angreal. None of this is conclusive except to say that the Forsaken are scared when Ishamael and Rahvin get killed, because both were very strong.


If they fight in the next book, it might be Rand who's at the disadvantage in pure power.
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1969 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1136 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1228 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 1000 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1118 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1184 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1181 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1086 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1132 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1050 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1090 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 1032 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 1021 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1078 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 1007 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1109 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 551 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 1022 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1201 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 1031 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 962 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 969 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1544 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 999 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1058 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1086 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 929 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 1000 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1165 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1143 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 1027 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 560 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 527 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 467 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 508 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1078 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 925 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 1016 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 853 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1139 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 962 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 478 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 528 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 543 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 1005 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1228 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1178 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 937 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1143 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 901 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 1033 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 902 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 1044 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 1005 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 1010 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1337 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 971 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 932 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 1041 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1112 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1066 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 1025 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 1006 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 1011 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 997 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 1033 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 923 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 1019 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1046 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 882 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 933 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 962 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 1005 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1049 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 783 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 842 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 929 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 950 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 905 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 1044 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 920 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1053 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 959 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1155 Views
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