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We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM
For all we know the third age references to aginors strength were based on hereditary memories of his shadowspawn armies and not on his one power ability at all.


That may be true. We only have that quote, Moiraine's quote, and a quote on Osan'gar's strength - or the strength he showed us. You can't tell with males - not even Rand could. Without the BWB we don't know Ishamael, Aginor, Demandred or Lanfear's strengths.

I don't think RJ came up with an overly elaborate plan to make pseudostrengths for the Forsaken. He's said that Aginor was 2nd in strength, and I don't see the gain in lying about it. I think that he was 2nd in strength, along with Demandred and Lanfear, but because he was a lab rab he was not good with the Power or combat.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1937 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1107 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1183 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 977 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1099 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1160 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1159 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1068 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1109 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1029 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1065 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 1004 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 984 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1052 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 975 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1084 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 537 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 992 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1158 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 1012 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 935 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 948 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1515 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 977 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1027 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1058 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 908 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 965 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1134 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1119 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 1003 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 550 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 515 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 455 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 495 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1049 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 897 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 980 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 829 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1113 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 932 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 466 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 514 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 529 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 976 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1192 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1151 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 914 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1113 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 871 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 1002 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 874 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 1021 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 988 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 983 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1310 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 952 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 913 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 1010 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1083 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1038 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 999 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 987 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 981 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 973 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 1010 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 902 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 992 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1025 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 853 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 901 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 931 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 980 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1018 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 767 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 820 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 910 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 922 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 878 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 1013 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 900 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1037 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 939 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1138 Views
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