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We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM
For all we know the third age references to aginors strength were based on hereditary memories of his shadowspawn armies and not on his one power ability at all.


That may be true. We only have that quote, Moiraine's quote, and a quote on Osan'gar's strength - or the strength he showed us. You can't tell with males - not even Rand could. Without the BWB we don't know Ishamael, Aginor, Demandred or Lanfear's strengths.

I don't think RJ came up with an overly elaborate plan to make pseudostrengths for the Forsaken. He's said that Aginor was 2nd in strength, and I don't see the gain in lying about it. I think that he was 2nd in strength, along with Demandred and Lanfear, but because he was a lab rab he was not good with the Power or combat.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1911 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1083 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1158 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 953 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1066 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1138 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1138 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1045 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1091 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1004 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1040 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 981 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 950 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1029 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 952 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1061 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 528 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 967 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1133 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 994 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 915 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 923 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1501 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 952 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1009 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1025 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 882 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 944 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1107 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1099 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 981 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 541 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 506 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 446 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 486 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1027 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 876 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 955 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 814 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1089 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 910 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 457 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 502 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 520 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 953 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1166 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1129 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 887 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1091 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 836 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 983 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 849 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 996 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 964 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 953 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1288 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 926 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 896 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 989 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1059 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1016 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 979 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 964 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 948 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 953 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 987 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 878 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 970 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1004 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 819 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 878 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 904 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 958 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1001 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 747 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 800 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 885 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 895 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 851 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 990 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 877 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1015 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 922 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1119 Views
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