I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM
Demandred, Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal and Sammael could probably duel one another with unpredictable results, and the result would be 50-50 if they dueled a hundred times. It makes them inferior to Ishamael and Lews Therin, but not to each other.
If Ishamael is superior to the others, I just haven't seen it. The only time he's gained any real advantages has been after Moghedien and Cyndane were mindtrapped and given to him, and that was after he had suffered multiple defeats and been given a new body.
If it came down to an outright fight, and the Dark One commanded them to fight one another to the death using any means necessary, I tend to think Ishamael would be one of the first eliminated - the only thing that seems to keep him from being wiped out is the uneasy amnesty that exists among the Forsaken for most of the series - he shows himself incapable of grasping basic experiences that the others understand very well, most probably because he is partially insane and because of his use of the True Power, probably worse off than many of the male channelers running around insane.
He just never struck me as a legitimate threat in the way Lanfear, Graendal, Sammael, semirhage or Demandred have. Ishamael seems to have suffered the most from the "BS degree in Evil Villainy 101" syndrome.
In fact, I think that there were many Aes Sedai during the Age of Legends who were equal to Lews Therin, all things considered, including Latra Posae Decume - we know Lews Therin's weak points probably better than any channelers at this point, not counting my personal feelings that he is especially attuned to Air, Fire and Spirit with weakness abilities with Water and Earth. He seems to balance quite well with the Forsaken, who were his peers, and channelers of his own comparable potential in terms of capability to channel greater volumes of the Power next to their various skillsets.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power
12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM
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The Big White Book says...
12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM
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Not Aginor
13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM
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Re: Not Aginor
13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM
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Re: Not Aginor
13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM
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Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy
13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM
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But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar
14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM
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It all depends on how you define "powerful"
14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM
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So is graendal similar to lanfear then?
13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM
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Graendal could fight Lanfear and win
13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM
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Graendal herself says...
13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM
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Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power
13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM
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Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then?
13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM
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Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters
13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM
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But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM*
13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM
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Not at all
14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM
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But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM*
13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM
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Apparently only the third time counts *NM*
13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM
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But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM*
13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM
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Really?
13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM
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No falsely...
13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM
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And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much
14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM
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They correlate on some critical points
14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM
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That's not exactly what I'm referring to.
15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM
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But then we are discussing the same thing
15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM
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I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers
16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM
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Probably
16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM
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I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael
14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM
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I do think Ishamel is special
14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM
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He's special the same way any individual is special.
14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM
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Re: He's special the same way any individual is special.
15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM
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Re: He's special the same way any individual is special.
15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM
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Re: He's special the same way any individual is special.
15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM
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The more interesting question is...
14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM
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Hmmm
14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM
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I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar.
14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM
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Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM*
14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM
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Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree!
14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM
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They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks
14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM
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I've never underestimated Graendal
14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM
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Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too.
14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM
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To me, she is the most lethal.
15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM
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I still like Lanfear more
15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM
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Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien
15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM
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Agreed
15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM
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Ummm... how do we know?
15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM
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