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Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe Send a noteboard - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM
1. No one will be killed BY the Travelling weave except accidentally if he / she's unlucky or stupid enough to walk into an opening Gateway. That's what the Oath is about.

2. The main idea of the Seanchan is to LEASH the AS, not to kill them. BTW, why were the Salidar AS able to weave a Gateway to Tar Valon to send their ARMY through? According to your reasoning, this shouldn't have been possible either.


I disagree, it's all about intent, and in the case of Elaida, all she has to do is believe that by showing them the weave she will cause deaths. That would suffice for it to be 'used as a weapon'.

Elaida made herself believe many things true or untrue, as did all Aes Sedai, but especially her. I can't believe that she wouldn't expect that her weave could directly cause death. We JUST saw that I think the Aes Sedai with Perrin refused to even cause an earth tremor near the WHITECLOAKS, because it MIGHT possibly do something which MIGHT cause their deaths.

It's all about what they convince themselves that their weaves will accomplish, and hence Elaida should know from her treatment by the Seanchan and her carefulness in hiding Travelling, what the Seanchan will do with her weave, Period.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 2171 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 1086 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 980 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 1147 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 510 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 878 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 468 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 416 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 896 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 767 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 862 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 868 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 797 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 928 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 790 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 881 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 873 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 736 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 804 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 904 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 830 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 771 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 381 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 1193 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 975 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 792 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 814 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 387 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 420 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 389 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 389 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 821 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 866 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 817 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 845 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 380 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 333 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 396 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 780 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 969 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 854 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 374 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 341 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 384 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 758 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 759 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 752 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 1042 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 769 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 1128 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 760 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 843 Views
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