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Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe Send a noteboard - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM
The three oaths are, "To speak no word that is not true, to make no weapon for one man to kill another, and never to use the One Power as a weapon, except against Shadowspawn, to save her own life or her Warder's, or the life of another sister."

The oaths are quite literal; a gateway is not a weapon, therefore she can form one just fine. The oath does not forbid indirectly causing death with the power. Even tying a person up with the power to then kill them with steel weapons has not been forbidden by the oath.

Not to mention we've already seen how little integrity most Aes Sedai have when it comes to finding ways to weasel out of their oaths. The first one is the easiest to get around, but the second and third are nearly as weak.


Elaida wouldnt want to get around this Oath, she doesnt want to have the Tower destroyed and collared. And as far as the weave having to DIRECTLY kill, this is untrue. Witness the Aes Sedai following Perrin who refused to even slightly help him against the Whitecloaks because of any possibility that their help could somehow result, even indirectly with their deaths.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 2294 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 1208 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 1094 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 1253 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 566 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 1011 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 520 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 472 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 1012 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 888 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 974 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 998 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 946 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 1052 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 905 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 996 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 995 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 846 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 915 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 1018 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 939 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 890 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 435 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 1323 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 1105 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 907 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 929 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 449 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 481 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 443 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 446 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 935 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 1008 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 944 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 970 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 439 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 403 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 458 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 918 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 1089 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 991 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 425 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 407 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 439 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 879 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 885 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 868 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 1183 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 893 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 1255 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 863 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 957 Views
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