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Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM
The oath against using the OP as a weapon should have prevented Elaida or any captive Aes Sedai from showing the Seanchan Travelling.

Elaida KNEW what they would do with Travelling, that they would use it to KILL and there is NO WAY they could have possibly made her believe they were going to use it for benign purposes.


And I'm a little surprised Egwene hasn't done something like this in the Tower. All Elaida had to do was, at some point early in her captivity when she understood she wasn't going to escape, that she was going to be broken, to swear an oath to herself not to reveal Travelling (or any other Aes Sedai weave) to her captors.

She's not Black Ajah so the first oath would have made it binding. Even if she was broken and turned into a happy, obedient damane, she couldn't have revealed it.

Even better, she should have opened the gateway and then started yanking threads out of it. With any luck there would have been another Gateway!bomb that would have vaporised every Seanchan within two hundred paces


If only. Unfortunately, as far as she knew there might be ways that the Seanchan could make her tell them (e.g. they might have taken the Oath Rod in the raid, for all she knew) and therefore she would be unable to swear an Oath that she wouldn't tell them. Plus, she a selfish *****.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 2148 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 1060 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 959 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 1124 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 501 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 850 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 459 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 406 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 870 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 743 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 839 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 850 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 778 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 908 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 769 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 861 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 851 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 718 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 784 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 882 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 804 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 753 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 372 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 1167 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 959 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 772 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 790 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 374 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 414 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 375 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 380 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 800 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 851 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 795 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 821 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 370 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 321 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 389 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 762 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 944 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 833 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 368 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 333 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 376 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 737 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 741 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 737 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 988 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 745 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 1108 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 741 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 818 Views
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