First off, I thought this prologue was fantastic. The pacing was excellent. The sense of ominous doom that RJ had said he was trying to convey was finally tangible. Plus, we get some fresh new insights into the plans of the Shadow.
Most people on the site seem to think Masema's vision was proof of either Demandred or Moridin's manipulation, but I believe you are all forgetting Graendal's POV. She casually thinks to herself that she knows everyone's plans except Demandred's, that Moridin's "two minions, Cyndane and Moghedien, occasionally showed their faces there [the south]. They spent their time rallying the Darkfriends and occasionally trying follow Moridin’s orders that the two ta’veren—Perrin Aybara and Matrim Cauthon–-be killed." Given this piece of information, the appearance of a vision of the Dragon, in flowing white, sounds much more like Cyndane/Lanfear than it does Demandred or Moridin (who still does not seem very serious about actually killing Perrin or Mat). He doesn't send any heavy hitters after them, his minions only "occasionally" try to follow his orders and he waited 10 books to even mention them to the other Forsaken. Of course, Lanfear knew all about them and how to locate them in the Pattern. Appearing as a vision (it may have even been in a dream) is also in accordance with her style. Mat was almost killed by some street thug darkfriends, which sounds more like Moghedien's style to me.
As for Demandred and his "my rule is secure," I am not sure we can necessarily conclude too much. He sounded a bit defensive, and I agree that the Borderlands also do not seem quite right. But does Shara sound better? Last we've heard, it is in utter chaos, hardly a secure rule, but it could provide adequate and surprising armies for the Shadow. Of course, making a whole empire, one shrouded in orientalist mystery, fight for the Shadow would seem at odds with RJ's multicultural portrayal of good and evil. Is he ruling the Asha'man? Is he ruling Murandy? Is he consolidating power in Shara? Is he doing nothing and just trying to confuse Graendal with Moridin's blessing?
Most people on the site seem to think Masema's vision was proof of either Demandred or Moridin's manipulation, but I believe you are all forgetting Graendal's POV. She casually thinks to herself that she knows everyone's plans except Demandred's, that Moridin's "two minions, Cyndane and Moghedien, occasionally showed their faces there [the south]. They spent their time rallying the Darkfriends and occasionally trying follow Moridin’s orders that the two ta’veren—Perrin Aybara and Matrim Cauthon–-be killed." Given this piece of information, the appearance of a vision of the Dragon, in flowing white, sounds much more like Cyndane/Lanfear than it does Demandred or Moridin (who still does not seem very serious about actually killing Perrin or Mat). He doesn't send any heavy hitters after them, his minions only "occasionally" try to follow his orders and he waited 10 books to even mention them to the other Forsaken. Of course, Lanfear knew all about them and how to locate them in the Pattern. Appearing as a vision (it may have even been in a dream) is also in accordance with her style. Mat was almost killed by some street thug darkfriends, which sounds more like Moghedien's style to me.
As for Demandred and his "my rule is secure," I am not sure we can necessarily conclude too much. He sounded a bit defensive, and I agree that the Borderlands also do not seem quite right. But does Shara sound better? Last we've heard, it is in utter chaos, hardly a secure rule, but it could provide adequate and surprising armies for the Shadow. Of course, making a whole empire, one shrouded in orientalist mystery, fight for the Shadow would seem at odds with RJ's multicultural portrayal of good and evil. Is he ruling the Asha'man? Is he ruling Murandy? Is he consolidating power in Shara? Is he doing nothing and just trying to confuse Graendal with Moridin's blessing?
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 1) *spoilers*
- 16/09/2009 04:56:20 AM
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My comments so far
- 17/09/2009 05:42:58 AM
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So has no one really read it yet or
- 17/09/2009 06:55:52 AM
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Re: So has no one really read it yet or
- 17/09/2009 07:00:16 AM
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Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe?
- 17/09/2009 07:07:08 AM
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Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe?
- 17/09/2009 07:15:35 AM
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Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe?
- 17/09/2009 07:18:12 AM
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First move in a full blown assualt.
- 17/09/2009 09:37:00 PM
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If they leave no survivors, Rand will probably be blamed, thus slowing his plans to make peace.. *NM*
- 17/09/2009 11:28:02 PM
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Well, spoilers obviously...
- 17/09/2009 06:59:01 AM
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Maybe it was Demandred.
- 17/09/2009 07:01:53 AM
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Demandred
- 17/09/2009 08:57:11 PM
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Re: Demandred
- 17/09/2009 09:00:31 PM
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I don't think Shara is an option
- 17/09/2009 09:10:49 PM
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Goes in with the whole Mat betraying Rand idea
- 18/09/2009 12:33:09 AM
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Not to metion is might help explain Masema, since he's been around that area for ages. *NM*
- 18/09/2009 12:19:18 PM
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Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest
- 17/09/2009 07:16:10 AM
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Re: Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest
- 17/09/2009 07:23:15 AM
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Cruel and shady?
- 17/09/2009 07:24:34 AM
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Any idea who in Rand's group leaked the Semi capture, old Dark Friend or new? *NM*
- 17/09/2009 07:32:22 AM
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How the intelligence war has changed and tables turned. No more ignorant forsaken, but...
- 17/10/2009 02:22:31 PM
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A few thoughts
- 17/09/2009 07:31:05 AM
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Re: A few thoughts
- 17/09/2009 07:53:41 AM
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It was Brilliant. A review. (Horrible spoilers and some quotes!)
- 17/09/2009 08:02:15 AM
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Re: It was Brilliant. A review. (Horrible spoilers and some quotes!)
- 17/09/2009 08:13:07 AM
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Ummm... why?
- 17/09/2009 08:17:59 AM
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I think Min gets toasted
- 17/09/2009 09:34:35 AM
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Doubt it
- 18/09/2009 02:15:57 PM
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What about Tam? *NM*
- 18/09/2009 05:59:38 PM
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Ash'aman?!
- 17/09/2009 03:51:09 PM
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Moridin's servants are usually Zomoran.
- 17/09/2009 04:22:16 PM
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But maybe not here... maybe
- 17/09/2009 04:30:40 PM
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The logistics make it impossible...
- 17/09/2009 04:36:27 PM
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Some major questions (The prologue has really got me psyched)
- 17/09/2009 08:27:29 AM
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Re: Some major questions (The prologue has really got me psyched)
- 18/09/2009 03:04:40 AM
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Demandred, Moridin, or Lanfear? *spoilers*
- 17/09/2009 03:31:41 PM
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Forsaken chapter analysis
- 17/09/2009 04:19:07 PM
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Was it Brandon?
- 17/09/2009 04:31:07 PM
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Thoughts on Graendal's POV
- 17/09/2009 07:31:04 PM
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Completely enjoyed it. (Obviously spoilers)
- 18/09/2009 01:01:54 AM
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Tylee
- 18/09/2009 05:51:18 AM
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That was my hope.
- 18/09/2009 06:35:41 AM
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Thought on Mesaana
- 18/09/2009 01:13:48 AM
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Question. (Or random thought that could become a theory from someone smarter)
- 18/09/2009 04:40:42 AM
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Re: Question. (Or random thought that could become a theory from someone smarter)
- 18/09/2009 05:04:50 AM
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Re: Question. (Or random thought that could become a theory from someone smarter)
- 18/09/2009 06:19:32 AM
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Tam! never thought of him....excellent choice. *NM*
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