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If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM
In any case, where are you getting the idea that the Pattern desires whole, unbroken order? The champion of the Pattern is not exactly known for these things.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2209 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1150 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 533 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 922 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 965 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 961 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 908 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 467 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 461 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 491 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 910 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 826 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 1082 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 847 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 933 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 781 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 984 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 958 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 464 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 454 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 480 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 440 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 1012 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 851 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 883 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 889 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 948 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 831 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 806 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 952 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 915 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 925 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 963 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 923 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 896 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 891 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 871 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 893 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 965 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 858 Views
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I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 867 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 982 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 805 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 843 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 1042 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 478 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 800 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 459 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 878 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 991 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 893 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 833 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 894 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 954 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 902 Views
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