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But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM
I think it would undermine what I see as a major theme in the series; namely, that everyone is important and seemingly minor choices have a large-scale effect because they effect everyone else. If Rand was the Serpent, ultimately it would be his approach and decisions that have the most importance far beyond anyone else.


If Rand chose to kill himself, the world dies.

If Rand chose to return to the Two Rivers and refuse his destiny, the world dies.

Rand is the be all and end all of this series. That's why I said all along that everyone who goes on about him getting a big head, or becoming authoritarian or wanting people to understand the gravity of his mission are missing the boat.

Rand is what matters. He is all that matters.

If Egwene never arrived, and the White Tower vanished in a puff of smoke, it wouldn't matter. RAND matters. The land is one with the Dragon. Not with the Amyrlin, or the Wolf King, or the Prince of Foxes or anyone else.

It is all about Rand. It always has been.

This message last edited by Shannow on 08/02/2011 at 03:58:43 PM
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1877 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 554 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 597 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 512 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 498 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1208 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1087 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 558 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1005 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1022 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 955 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1068 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 988 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1064 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1246 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 917 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 934 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1012 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1135 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 445 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 514 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1155 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1057 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1044 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1057 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1018 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1082 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 936 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1045 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 935 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1041 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 999 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1100 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1092 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 846 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1022 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 910 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 967 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 901 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1021 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 975 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 930 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 533 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 499 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 485 Views
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