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Not at all! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM

That is the point. No one matters but Rand. Everyone else is irrelevant. The actions of Egwene, Matt, a random farmer, a bird, an ant, all of these are irrelevant. The Wheel runs around Rand. If Rand loses, then the Wheel loses. Reality itself loses.

There's a vast deal of difference between "Rand is the most important" and "Rand is the only one that matters".

I can prove in a hundred ways that if his clique did not do what they did and were not what they were, the world would have been doomed by now.

But I need just two simple pieces of evidence:

1)In the AoL, while the final sealing of the DO was an act of LTT, the opposition of Latra Pose was just as critical in saving the world. In the past age, we are definitely certain that one other person's actions mattered just as much as the Dragons. It stands to reason the same is the case now.

2) Min's vision of the swarming points of light. If Rand were ALL that mattered, he alone should be enough to push back the darkness. But he isn't. Its only when the select group of people who're close to him are around him that we see the Light winning. That's conclusive proof that Rand isn't all that matters,
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 2000 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 602 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 648 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 579 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 553 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1333 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1204 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 627 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1127 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1148 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1081 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1199 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1092 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1171 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1371 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1028 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1069 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1136 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1248 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 501 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 562 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1280 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1179 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1162 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1179 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1120 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1218 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1059 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1169 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1070 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1159 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1142 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1241 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1214 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 976 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1133 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1024 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1089 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1026 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1137 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1090 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1052 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 591 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 549 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 534 Views
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