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Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM

When is this shown to be the case?

Rand has the option of destroying the world, and there was no one else to influence him in any way.

Certainly, the Pattern played a role in his choice. As he himself said, he wouldn't have won through but for the people he knew and who loved him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice.

Same with everyone else. Isn't the voice telling Rand in EotW that the choice to fight Ishy is his ample proof that choice does exist?


That is the point. No one matters but Rand. Everyone else is irrelevant. The actions of Egwene, Matt, a random farmer, a bird, an ant, all of these are irrelevant. The Wheel runs around Rand. If Rand loses, then the Wheel loses. Reality itself loses.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1611 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 443 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 481 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 411 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 396 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 954 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 834 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 451 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 758 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 784 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 705 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 814 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 725 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 826 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 974 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 670 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 626 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 719 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 867 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 350 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 416 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 911 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 784 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 764 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 808 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 763 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 805 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 639 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 761 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 700 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 749 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 739 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 829 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 828 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 613 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 798 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 687 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 703 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 657 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 758 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 722 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 699 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 425 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 329 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 371 Views
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