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The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM
It seems to me that the Fisher King/Messainic mythos is about a person dying for others. Without the other people, the Fisher King is nothing but an individual connected to the primal undercurrent of the earth - they need a community and society to make their sacrifice mean something, otherwise any victory they achieve is Pyrrhic in nature.

Thus it seems to me that interpreting the Fisher King story to mean that this person is the be all and end all with noone else having any greater importance overlooks what the role of the Fisher King is. If Rand were to win, but Elayne, Egwene, Mat, Perrin and Nynaeve were to have failed in their individual quests, I would say that the world would perish anyway, though not at the Dark Ones' hands. As Min's vision showed us so early on in the series, without the others working for the greater good, Rand's spark of light could not match the darkness, and only when the other sparks started joining with him, were other points of light able to converge so that the light could be equal to the darkness.

That vision indicated that the Dragon Reborn is a necessary condition to win Tarmon Gaidon, but the roles of others can be necessary, as well. Rand's felt this multiple times in the series, but the earliest IMO was during "The Great Hunt" - all Rand knows is that if he didn't go and try to rescue Egwene, some aspect of him would have failed. I'd argue that he was sensing the necessity for him to save her in order to acquire a necessary supporter to make his mission succeed. The Pattern may very well have endowed Egwene, Mat, Perrin, Elayne, Nynaeve and Min with their gifts and advantages so that each could be transformational figures in their own rights without Rand having to be everywhere at once.
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Rand is the Great Serpent - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1612 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 444 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 482 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 413 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 397 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 956 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 835 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 451 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 760 Views
A good example - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 786 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 708 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 815 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 726 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 829 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 975 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 671 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 627 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 720 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 869 Views
*NM* - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 352 Views
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Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 912 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 785 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 765 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 809 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 764 Views
That was Tam. - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 808 Views
That is a key difference. - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 641 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 761 Views
Not at all! - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 702 Views
You sound like Ishamael - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 749 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 740 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 832 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 830 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 616 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 799 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 688 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 703 Views
What depresses me... - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 659 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 724 Views
It is of little consequence - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 700 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 427 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 330 Views
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