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But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM
I think it would undermine what I see as a major theme in the series; namely, that everyone is important and seemingly minor choices have a large-scale effect because they effect everyone else. If Rand was the Serpent, ultimately it would be his approach and decisions that have the most importance far beyond anyone else.


If Rand chose to kill himself, the world dies.

If Rand chose to return to the Two Rivers and refuse his destiny, the world dies.

Rand is the be all and end all of this series. That's why I said all along that everyone who goes on about him getting a big head, or becoming authoritarian or wanting people to understand the gravity of his mission are missing the boat.

Rand is what matters. He is all that matters.

If Egwene never arrived, and the White Tower vanished in a puff of smoke, it wouldn't matter. RAND matters. The land is one with the Dragon. Not with the Amyrlin, or the Wolf King, or the Prince of Foxes or anyone else.

It is all about Rand. It always has been.

This message last edited by Shannow on 08/02/2011 at 03:58:43 PM
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1999 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 602 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 647 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 578 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 553 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1332 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1204 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 626 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1126 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1147 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1080 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1198 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1091 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1171 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1371 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1028 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1069 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1135 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1248 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 499 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 562 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1280 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1179 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1161 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1179 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1120 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1218 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1059 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1169 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1069 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1159 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1142 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1241 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1213 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 974 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1133 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1023 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1089 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1026 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1136 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1090 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1051 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 590 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 548 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 533 Views
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