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The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM
(New Testament, Book 1:17)

That... that is not how one references the Bible. :P

I assume you are referring to Mark 1:17, where Jesus says to Simon and Andrew "Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men." (NASB). That's a very tenuous link.

This link has a lot of information as to biblical references to Jesus' identification with fish: http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSix/FishersOfMen.htm. Further, in the book, "High History of the Holy Grail", the Fisher King is actually called 'Messios'.

That link is horrific. The zodiac has nothing to do with Christianity, and didn't even exist in its current form until Ptolemy reformed it two centuries after Christ died.

The connection between the Fisher King and Jesus/the Messiah inspired a large part of the Grail legends, and those legends are connected to the Arthurian mythos.

There are a lot of reasons Jesus used fish, and there are a lot of connections between ??????? and ?????. But they aren't the ones you listed. Many of them are societal, and many are linguistic. If you want a decent site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icthys has actual scholarship supporting its claims.

The reason the Fisher King is called the Fisher King is because, being crippled, all he could do is fish. If you want to show a connection to me, you're going to need to show much more proof than that. :P
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This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 522 Views
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A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 946 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 866 Views
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Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 921 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 982 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1174 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 831 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 834 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 917 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1073 Views
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Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1078 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 963 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 970 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 990 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 949 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1005 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 829 Views
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Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 869 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 953 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 934 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1033 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1025 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 777 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 958 Views
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What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 825 Views
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I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 907 Views
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Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 498 Views
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