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Not at all! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM

That is the point. No one matters but Rand. Everyone else is irrelevant. The actions of Egwene, Matt, a random farmer, a bird, an ant, all of these are irrelevant. The Wheel runs around Rand. If Rand loses, then the Wheel loses. Reality itself loses.

There's a vast deal of difference between "Rand is the most important" and "Rand is the only one that matters".

I can prove in a hundred ways that if his clique did not do what they did and were not what they were, the world would have been doomed by now.

But I need just two simple pieces of evidence:

1)In the AoL, while the final sealing of the DO was an act of LTT, the opposition of Latra Pose was just as critical in saving the world. In the past age, we are definitely certain that one other person's actions mattered just as much as the Dragons. It stands to reason the same is the case now.

2) Min's vision of the swarming points of light. If Rand were ALL that mattered, he alone should be enough to push back the darkness. But he isn't. Its only when the select group of people who're close to him are around him that we see the Light winning. That's conclusive proof that Rand isn't all that matters,
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1910 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 566 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 609 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 531 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 511 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1245 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1122 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 575 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1040 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1053 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 996 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1111 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1021 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1084 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1282 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 951 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 967 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1038 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1159 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 461 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 527 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1191 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1088 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1075 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1093 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1049 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1121 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 970 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1080 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 966 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1082 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1036 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1132 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1120 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 881 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1047 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 945 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1006 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 942 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1053 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1009 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 963 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 546 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 514 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 499 Views
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