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Re: Well Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/09/2009 09:40:51 PM

There is an essential theme around the Forsaken i.e. their great natural skill but their waste and perversion of it. Therefore, I think I'm the one who's read Demandred properly. You still think of him as one of Lews Therin's gifted generals. In power he's lost little, but in character he's lost everything. It's thus completely accurate to say that he could be taken down by a thorn in his foot. Perhaps Barid Bel Medar would have died in a blaze of glory, but Demandred will get nothing - just like every other Forsaken. Unless, of course, you think death by mashadar is what a man of Sammael's stature was worth?


I doubt that Demandred's death will be as anti-climatic as you suggest. All of the Forsaken who have died deaths (perhaps with the exception of Asmodean) that were A) significant, and B) vital to the plot. Even Be'lal, who is so often cited as the seemingly least important Forsaken, died a very significant death. With his death came: the fall of the Stone of Tear, Rand's receiving of Callandor, Rand's acquisition of the Aiel. Be'lal's death was therefore necessary and important, though certainly not titanic.

Demandred will have probably a more "titanic" death (explosions, fires, armies, etc) though it will come far too late in the series to truly be monumental.

I do agree, however, that Demandred probably won't die by Rand's hand. As Graendal noted in the prologue, Demandred is single-minded and blind with hatred, which I feel will be his downfall. He will be so focused on the prize (Rand) that he will fail to notice relevant threats.

IMO, at least.


If Demandred dies any death in the Final Battle it will be 'titanic'. Whether Mat's ashanderei takes him out, or Nynaeve burns him to a crisp... people will always remember how Demandred died. People still remember that a Nym killed Balthamel, after all.
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Where can i find it at? Can someone give me a link? *NM* - 18/09/2009 02:21:10 AM 329 Views
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*NM* - 19/09/2009 04:20:29 AM 471 Views
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Some sweeping statements there... - 20/09/2009 01:21:46 PM 772 Views
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