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An alternative could be that even if the gaps are large, strength does not mean that much. Kind of like height - there are reasons why it might indicate superiority in a fight, and is readily measurable, but the reason why men might generally be able to win a fight against a woman are not really about their being taller.


I am leaning more towards this, and have been of this opinion for the last few books. There is a metaphysical aspect to saidin and saidar which get ignored when we are trying to quantify strength levels. We are told strength is related to your soul, yet we never considered that your soul's relative importance to the Pattern might determine your strength. After all, how would you rank this? When Rand channeled hundreds of weaves in "Towers of Midnight", was this because he is the Dragon Reborn or because he has realized something about the One Power on an intuitive level that no one else has?

Perhaps women are generally "weaker" because they are so used to being in a female body that is 'weaker' physically than most male bodies, that this affects the expressions of their soul. If the One Power is a form of energy that allows for reality alteration, then your belief might express how much of the Power your soul can filter through your body before physical destruction.

Perhaps Ishamael is a match for Lews Therin because he believes so strongly that he was destined to be a match, that his soul can handle more Power than he was initially thought to be capable of, even without the True Power. It could also explain why Lanfear can be claimed to be second only to Ishamael according to the legends; when we get her POV, she focuses on being the strongest woman in the world that she might be holding herself back from being the strongest channeler in the world. She was driven both by egotism and an inferiority complex to drill the bore and date Lews Therin. Moghedien's inferiority complex and preference to work from the Shadows may drive her lesser channeling power, but when push came to shove, she used the Power to do something in T'A'R that no one thought possible - if it came down to her physical survival with her back against the wall, no holds barred, she may be capable of matching a "stronger" Forsaken because that's how her mind/soul works.

Just conjecture at this point, but it would account for Plot armor and etc.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 2118 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 1013 Views
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Yes, you are probably correct - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 1175 Views
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The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 991 Views
I find that unlikely - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 945 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 1002 Views
Well.... - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 1007 Views
Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 1007 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 1035 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 983 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 1052 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 523 Views
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Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 1113 Views
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The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 949 Views
Yes! And...? - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 942 Views
Yes I would agree with that - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 1097 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 877 Views
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That makes no sense. - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 1027 Views
Correct. - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 989 Views
Re: Correct. - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 956 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1406 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 913 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 968 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 805 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 1030 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 465 Views
But... - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 798 Views
And - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 912 Views
Yes - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 1070 Views
Re: Yes - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 1013 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 1046 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 1016 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 949 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 909 Views
What Rand is doing... - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 1035 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 854 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 910 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 1057 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 994 Views
On gateways - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 1032 Views
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I suspect he knows that... - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 910 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 946 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 910 Views
But Shielding is also relative. - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 2172 Views
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