Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM
Because Asmodean matched Rand at a time when Rand was probably at around 80% of his full strength.
Because for Logain to notice a marked size difference between his and Rand's Deathgates, it means we aren't talking about a mere 5% difference.
"I saw how much bigger your Deathgates were than mine".
Even at a 10% strength difference, Logain's gateways would still be 11.5 by 11.5 feet vs Rand's 12 feet by 12 feet. Virtually identitical for all intents and purposes.
11.5 vs 12 feet is a difference that's probably not even noticeable when they're opening and closing while moving around in the middle of a chaotic Trolloc filled battleground.
So even 90% of Rand's strength is probably an upper limit for Logain's strength. I would argue that for the difference to be truly noteworthy, Logain's gateways should no bigger than 11 feet by 11 feet, putting him at about 85% of Rand's strength.
I believe the Forsaken that were mentioned as being close to Lews Therin's strength were mentioned so for a reason. Because they stood out from the rest. And I believe these were the only ones at 95% or above.
That would explain Asmodean matching Rand at around 80% of his strength, and Logain's gateways being notably smaller than Rand's.
Sammael's gateway size is shown as being at 93% of Rand's. I would argue that this difference would not even be noted on a battlefield. That's 11.6 by 11.6 feet vs Rand's 12 feet by 12 feet.
Virtually identical. So Logain's gateways are most likely smaller than these.
And Nynaeve notes that she is only barely able to keep Logain shielded - this when we know that you can be much weaker than someone and STILL keep them shielded if you shield them BEFORE they hold the source.
And more reasons, which we can get to, if this thread continues. The point is, the overall impression of a lot of evidence, leads me toward a conclusion that the top channelers are spread out over a greater range - probably from around 75%-99%, and that Nynaeve is at around 85.
Because for Logain to notice a marked size difference between his and Rand's Deathgates, it means we aren't talking about a mere 5% difference.
"I saw how much bigger your Deathgates were than mine".
Even at a 10% strength difference, Logain's gateways would still be 11.5 by 11.5 feet vs Rand's 12 feet by 12 feet. Virtually identitical for all intents and purposes.
11.5 vs 12 feet is a difference that's probably not even noticeable when they're opening and closing while moving around in the middle of a chaotic Trolloc filled battleground.
So even 90% of Rand's strength is probably an upper limit for Logain's strength. I would argue that for the difference to be truly noteworthy, Logain's gateways should no bigger than 11 feet by 11 feet, putting him at about 85% of Rand's strength.
I believe the Forsaken that were mentioned as being close to Lews Therin's strength were mentioned so for a reason. Because they stood out from the rest. And I believe these were the only ones at 95% or above.
That would explain Asmodean matching Rand at around 80% of his strength, and Logain's gateways being notably smaller than Rand's.
Sammael's gateway size is shown as being at 93% of Rand's. I would argue that this difference would not even be noted on a battlefield. That's 11.6 by 11.6 feet vs Rand's 12 feet by 12 feet.
Virtually identical. So Logain's gateways are most likely smaller than these.
And Nynaeve notes that she is only barely able to keep Logain shielded - this when we know that you can be much weaker than someone and STILL keep them shielded if you shield them BEFORE they hold the source.
And more reasons, which we can get to, if this thread continues. The point is, the overall impression of a lot of evidence, leads me toward a conclusion that the top channelers are spread out over a greater range - probably from around 75%-99%, and that Nynaeve is at around 85.
This message last edited by Shannow on 17/12/2011 at 10:57:08 AM
Underestimating Forsaken strength
11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM
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Yes, you are probably correct
12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM
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Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed
12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM
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The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4?
12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM
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I find that unlikely
12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM
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Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR?
13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM
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Well....
13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM
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Well there we have it
13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM
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Re: Well there we have it
13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM
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Re: Well there we have it
13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM
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Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve...
14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM
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That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM*
14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM
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Where would you place Egwene though?
14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM
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Re: Where would you place Egwene though?
14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe...
14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM
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14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM
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The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ...
14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM
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Yes I would agree with that
14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM
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Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane
14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM
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So many instances of logical laziness in that post...
14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM
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Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post...
15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM
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There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements...
15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM
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Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements...
17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM
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Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning...
17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM
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Yes
13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM
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Re: Yes
13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM
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Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry,
13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM
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There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex.
13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM
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None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it...
13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM
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But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will.
13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM
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Wait.. I DIDN'T write that!
14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM
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Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:"
17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM
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On gateways
18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM
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Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha.
19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM
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I suspect he knows that...
19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM
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