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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow Send a noteboard - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM


Another logical problem with the theory is that it manages more or less to explain that Rand can draw the TP from his connection to Moridin. That's all well and good, but it combines this with the fact Rand will use Callandor with two women. We don't even know if it's possible to form a circle using the TP (and personally I highly doubt it... the whole themes surrounding the Shadow is "every one for himself";), but let's say it is for the sake of it. What we know, though, is that a channeler must be placed on the verge of embracing the source to enter a circle. With which two women Rand could possibly do this using the TP? Which two women near Rand could put themselves in the proper evil state of mind to embrace the True Power? Moiraine, Nynaeve, Egwene, Alivia, Cadsuane? LOL! Rand trying to explain to Nynaeve that in order to defeat evil they must agree to fully embrace it and be in communion with Shai'tan himself, and let his essence run through them would make for a rich scene, one that would end with Nynaeve (or Moiraine, Egwene, Cadsuane... take you pick) kicking the hell out of Rand. The whole thematic structure of this doesn't work and contradicts Rand's epiphany. Rand had to become one with Creation and with humanity, which began by fully embracing his feelings for his loved ones and friends. The TP is the opposite, a utter rejection of all that, cold as ice hatred and nihilism.



I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.
This message last edited by Shannow on 12/03/2012 at 06:05:32 PM
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2177 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1116 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1183 Views
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1135 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1059 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 940 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 994 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 975 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 909 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 580 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1094 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1097 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 971 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 951 Views
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Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 827 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 814 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 979 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1030 Views
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Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 754 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 725 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 785 Views
That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 792 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1064 Views
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Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1073 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 820 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 411 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 779 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1084 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 770 Views
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My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 939 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 787 Views
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 816 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 902 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 960 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 700 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 916 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1043 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 996 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 833 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 832 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 800 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 829 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 777 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 807 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 988 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 815 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 946 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1019 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 993 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 886 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1009 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 815 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 930 Views

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