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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow Send a noteboard - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM


Another logical problem with the theory is that it manages more or less to explain that Rand can draw the TP from his connection to Moridin. That's all well and good, but it combines this with the fact Rand will use Callandor with two women. We don't even know if it's possible to form a circle using the TP (and personally I highly doubt it... the whole themes surrounding the Shadow is "every one for himself";), but let's say it is for the sake of it. What we know, though, is that a channeler must be placed on the verge of embracing the source to enter a circle. With which two women Rand could possibly do this using the TP? Which two women near Rand could put themselves in the proper evil state of mind to embrace the True Power? Moiraine, Nynaeve, Egwene, Alivia, Cadsuane? LOL! Rand trying to explain to Nynaeve that in order to defeat evil they must agree to fully embrace it and be in communion with Shai'tan himself, and let his essence run through them would make for a rich scene, one that would end with Nynaeve (or Moiraine, Egwene, Cadsuane... take you pick) kicking the hell out of Rand. The whole thematic structure of this doesn't work and contradicts Rand's epiphany. Rand had to become one with Creation and with humanity, which began by fully embracing his feelings for his loved ones and friends. The TP is the opposite, a utter rejection of all that, cold as ice hatred and nihilism.



I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.
This message last edited by Shannow on 12/03/2012 at 06:05:32 PM
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2167 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1102 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1173 Views
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1126 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1050 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 929 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 979 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 901 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1081 Views
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Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 936 Views
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Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 816 Views
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I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 969 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1020 Views
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Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 745 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 708 Views
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Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1060 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 808 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 405 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 767 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1068 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 759 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 891 Views
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No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 687 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 885 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1033 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 985 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 818 Views
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Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 788 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 816 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 765 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 795 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 977 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 806 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 933 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1009 Views
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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 874 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 981 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 801 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 915 Views

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